Where ?Originally Posted by ckline
There isn't a single 16:9 ... 16:10 screenshot from either the PC or the 360 version that has the horizontal FOV increase that one would expect on a "TRUE" Widescreen game.
In fact the view in all the widescreen screenshots I have found on the net is cut down when in widescreen ...
So where is the ...... ?You will see more in widescreen.
The point is ... whilst it works the FOV is cut down compared to 4:3 ... and it feels very wrong when playing.
Take a look at the picture in the first post.
I don't have to play any game at the first day it is released. I can even wait until it is in the bargain bin.
No purchase until this is confirmed fixed.
Where is the truth plasmid when you need it?
Chris Kline: "You will see more in widescreen. We use a different- shriek!!!" *using truth plasmid on Mr. Kline*
Community: "What were you saying?"
Chris Kline: "TOUGH! NO true widescreen for you! Haha!"
Community: "Ermmm... thank you"
Hmm, I might as well cancel my preorder at EB Games for the XBox 360 version till this gets fixed. Shame too, I was about to leave when I figured I'll check out Digg first and lo and behold I found this. Great game too but I refuse to play a game in 2007 without widescreen. I paid alot for my HDTV, I'm not going to let it go to waste. I hope this gets fixed soon 2K. Before more good games come out and I'll be uninterested in this game.
I'd like to chip in and request that this be fixed on the 360 version as well. I shelled out for a 360 this weekend and Bioshock was number 1 on my list of reasons to do so. It must be easier to patch the PC version but please don't forget about us 360 owners.
2K - FIX THIS ☺☺☺☺ please!
hey guys,
i'm looking in to this for you and i'll get someone, if not me, to report back ASAP.
Here's 360's version (Retail copy):
4:3
http://ded.zenblue.net/360_Bioshock/43mode.jpg
16:9
http://ded.zenblue.net/360_Bioshock/widescreen.jpg
2k Games PLEASE FIX
Just adding my 2 cents as well, was going to buy the game for Xbox 360, now holding off until I hear a confirmation regarding the fix for this. 2K Games PLEASE fix this issue, it's just ridiculous. Thanks!
Not a problem. There is no logical reason why widescreen means you should see more. Sounds like you widescreen guys are just elitists whining that you're not getting preferrential treatment.
Anyone with half a brain and the ability to go into the game and snap a screenshot at widescreen and non-widescreen resolutions can determine that the FOV is wrong and you in fact see less in widescreen.
Oh well, I had the game preordered for the last 2 months with amazon UK. Guess what just got cancelled until this is fixed, 2K..?
At least have the good sense to not try to lie to the customers about something so easy to check up on.
Why does everyone keep posting the same thing? And now that a 2K employee has replied saying they're checking on it, just give them some time. Yeah we get it now, the current WS support is crap.
I'm sure they will patch it. but this has got to be some of the most whiney ☺☺☺☺ ever, I played mine on my pc which is hooked up to my lcd and it looks absolutely fine. Bunch of whiney ☺☺☺☺☺es in here. Seems more and more you go to any forum and its all about ☺☺☺☺☺ing and complaining for something that really dosent ruin the game. Stop crying.
This sucks, but it won't stop me from buying the game....
Thank you ...
Can't say fairer than that! Thanks Muchly
Many thanks - for some of us this is a deal-breaker.
Hola,
This is sad, very sad indeed. I agree 100% with all of the previous posters about how can something like this happen, be allowed to happen, in 2007. Especially with a game that looks to be the highest rated games on all platforms, ever. It's a shame for sure. I use a Sony 57" WS TV when gaming on consoles, and a Dell 24" WS monitor when gaming on my PC. There's nothing like a good game running in real WS when gaming. Totally and absolutely AWESOME!
2K, please address this issue, and do it soon. Not only for the PC, but for the 360 too (I'm getting this game for the 360).
However, the thought of not getting the maybe greatest game of all times because of this issue..."get out of here LOL". That thought would NEVER cross my mind. Not even in a million years. I bet 9 out of 10 of you who said you are not getting it/canceled your preorder, are liars. LOL You will SO get it, and you will so enjoy it. Maybe a wee bit less than in true WS (I know I will) but nevertheless have an awesome gaming experience.
As I write this, looking at my wall clock, Best Buy opens in 35 minutes and I am off to pick up my preorder and spend the next week in total gaming bliss.
Have a great one...
Carenzi
Why should it show more? There is no logical reason to suggest that it should. The best you guys will be able to come up with is "because it does in other cases" which is usually true, yes, but why does it HAVE to be? Why is widescreen REALLY better? IT'S ALL MARKETING. There is nothing wrong with fullscreen.
Seriously, you guys are just whining because your parents bought you a nice new monitor and you guys get the short end of the stick for once.
DEAL. It will be "fixed." Stop whining.
Thanks. Didn't even know he had a tattoo.
Thanks.Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth
hey guys,
i'm looking in to this for you and i'll get someone, if not me, to report back ASAP.
I turned off D zoom on my TV and now it is fine
Edit: HD zoom*I turned off D zoom on my TV and now it is fine
Since you evidently don't have a widescreen monitor, what are you doing in this thread?
Since our 'whining' has no effect on you whatsoever, what is your problem?
For some of us, this is an important issue. Just becuase it doesn't affect you, doesn't mean that those whom it does affect, and who wish to complain, should be subjected to abuse.
It's a minor issue.
I have both a fullscreen and a widescreen monitor.
Whatever your opinion of the issue it doesn't excuse your abuse ...
Well - if you don't care how games look on your widescreen monitor, that's your choice.
Personally I don't like having nearly 25% of the image cropped off.
Like I said - if you don't care, don't post.
So fullscreen users (the majority of people) should have a cropped image instead? You think you're better than them because you have widescreen?
Have a read of this please:
http://www.widescreengamingforum.com/wiki/index.php/FAQ
...and quit with the attitude. Especially since you haven't a clue what you're talking about.
I don't believe anyone said there was anything wrong with fullscreen. I do believe you are missing the point of the thread.
And believe it or not, some of us have jobs and actually pay for our own things. There comes a time in most peoples lives where their parents don't pay for everything. I know... I know... It's a crazy concept that may be foreign to someone who still lives with his parents. Perhaps one day you will spread your wings and leave the nest. It is really liberating. You should give it a try sometime.
Anyhoo, back to topic:
At least the aspect ratio is correct. That is far worse than a cropped FOV. Nonetheless, I would love to see it fixed.
Nice to see that 2K has heard us.
Dan, seriously dude.
Take your Dragon Rage for Widescreen users elsewhere. You obviously don't understand and that's OK; We still love you.
For the few who don't understand, there is no need for users of 4:3 monitors to suffer just because 16:9/16:10 is properly implemented within a game. For example, Half-Life 2 is perfectly playable in all 3 aspect ratios, all that happens for non-widescreen users is they get slightly less at either side of the screen.
How dense can you be? Adding proper widescreen support wont change the fullscreen support AT ALL. You just made yourself look real stupid.
Hello 2K folks!
After reading all the perfect reviews your game has been getting, I was planning on picking up a copy on the 24th - as soon as I got back to the states from Taiwan. After reading about this issue, I instead will be waiting until I hear confirmation that it the problem is resolved in such a way that widescreen users aren't given a reduced field of view.
Thanks!
I have no yet had a chance to get my hands on BioShock because I'm on vacation, but this is absolutely poor form 2kgames. I registered just to put my 2 cents in...FIX THIS!
And dandragonrage... you have no idea what you're talking about. Widescreen or fullscreen is personal preference, who pays attention to the marketing crap anyway? There is no reason why anyone should not be able to choose between one or the other. I have a very nice widescreen monitor which I want to play the game on. If the fullscreen support was broken in the release version of the game, by your very same argument you could just say "widescreen is fine, why don't all of you use that instead?"
No. As it is, fullscreen shows more. As you guys want it, widescreen shows more (and thus fullscreen less). Someone always gets the short end of the stick. Both ways are perfectly logical. I am not complaining that I don't want this behavior changed, because frankly, I don't care which way it works.
What got on my nerves is all the people who take this minor issue (which isn't really an issue, other than in their logic, but we'll assume it's a minor issue with the game) and use it to flame the developers, state that they're cancelling their orders, etc.
Actually, most everybody in here is 'looking stupid'. Arguing the wrong points about the aspect ratios.
The reason that widescreen is 'better' than full screen has to do with peripheral vision. The human eye sees more periphery to the sides than it does up and down. You can do an experiment to show this. Take your hand, and point straight ahead of you. Now take your hand to your peripheral vision in any direction and stop when you can't recognize it as a hand any more. Personally, I have about a 120 degree vertical fov, and a 180 degree horizontal. Even widescreen doesn't come close to this, obviously, but this is the entire *POINT* of widescreen.
Widescreen attempts to simulate 'real' vision closer than fullscreen. Which requires that the FOV be greater for widescreen than fullscreen.
Which it is not the way Bioshock is implemented right now.
dandragonrage, the issue isn't the 'cropping' - whatever everybody else in here is saying. It's the FOV. Which would, in essence 'fix' the cropping, as well.
Actually, I did. Well... Bioshock's implementation of fullscreen anyway.
I feel that the horizontal FOV in 4:3 is too small for a first person shooter and I prefer a wider FOV. Many have estimated that the horizontal FOV in this game is about 70 degrees... it might even be less. I typically get nauseous playing games at anything less than 90... and I prefer 100 to 110.
In many games, 16:9 or 10 aspect ratio coupled with a wider FOV gives me the best of both worlds: a more adequate horizontal FOV and a non-distorted view in the center of the screen.
I play in widescreen by choice by not scaling my LCD display and playing in 1600x900 (instead of my monitors native resolution of 1600x1200).
Bottom line of course is that if I get the ability to alter the horizontal FOV in some .ini file, I'd be happy.
So I assume the combination of your monitor and viewing distance are actually taking advantage of this, then? I'll shut up if so. But my guess is no.
This sucks, it better be fixed in the final release.
~points fingers at eyes, points fingers at 2K~
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