The 18 Civs I want to see in Civ5 are:
15. Native American
The 18 Civs I want to see in Civ5 are:
15. Native American
This is my list of 18 civilizations and their each 3 leaders:
1) USA (CivI-V)
2) Germany (CivI-V)
-Frederick I Barbarossa (CivII). He increased the imperial authority in Germany, fought the Pope, and conquered territories in Italy.
-Hitler. He conquered one half of Europe. If you don’t like him emotionally, my next option is Otto I (first German Emperor) because Frederick II the Great was King of Prussia, not of all Germany.
3) Rome (CivI-IV)
-Julius Caesar (CivI-IV)
-Justinian (CivIV). He was considered Roman Emperor by his people and his neighbours and conquered Northern Africa and Italy, so he recovered the city of Rome.
4) Greece (CivI-IV)
-Alexander the Great (CivI-IV)
-Milciades the Younger. He defeated the Persians in the battle of Marathon.
5) China (CivI-IV)
-Qin Shi Huang (CivIV)
-Hongwu, also known as Zhu Yuanzhang. He expelled out the Mongols and was the first Emperor of Ming Dynasty.
6) India (CivI-IV)
-Chandragupta II. During his rule, the Guptan Empire achieved its zenith politically and culturally.
-Nehru. He was the first Prime Minister of India and was the leader of the Indian National Congress under the mentorship of Gandhi, who never ruled in India.
7) Arabia (CivIII-IV)
-Harun ar-Rashid. He made the Abbasid Caliphate to achieve its zenith in culture, science, power and economy, and is famous to be in The Book of One Thousand and One Nights.
-Umar I. He conquered Mesopotamia, Siria, Persia, and Egypt and was the first Caliph to be called Amir al-Muminin (Prince of the Believers).
-Muawiyah I. He conquered lands in Anatolia, defeated Ali in the fitna, and was the first Umayyad Caliph.
(Saladin wasn’t arab but kurdish and didn’t rule in Arabia. Abu Bakr ruled only 3 years)
8) Spain (CivII-IV)
-Phillip II (CivII). In his time, Spain was the most powerful political entity in Europe and the most advanced land in science, tecnology and culture.
-Charles III. He applied politics of Enlightenment for the intelectual, educational and economic innovation of Spain, established Spanish symbols (flag and anthem) for the creation of an Spanish nation, and helped US in the War of Independence.
-Liuvigild. In the time of this Goth king, Hispania (Spain) was the most powerful economically, the most peaceful, and the most advanced intelectually in Western Europe.
(Isabel or Isabella was just Queen of Castille. However, his husband, Ferdinand, was King of Aragón and Castille and was considered King of Spain abroad.)
9) France (CivI-IV)
-Louis XIV (Civ II&IV)
-Napoleon (Civ I&IV)
-Charlemagne (CivIV). He was the King of the Franks, the old name of the French, so he fits in this civilization.
10) England (CivI-IV)
-Elizabeth I (CivI-IV)
-Henry II. He had huge territories in France and increased his authority against aristocracy and the Pope.
11) Russia-USSR (CivI-IV)
-Stalin (CivI&IV). If you don’t like emotionally, my next option is Peter the Great.
-Catherine the Great (CivII-IV)
-Ivan IV the Terrible. He made Russia into an Empire conquering huge territories in Asia, established a new code of laws, and centralized the power.
12) Egypt (CivI-IV)
-Ramesses II (CivI,II&IV)
-Akhenaten, also known as Amenhotep IV and Amenophis IV. He leaded a religious revolution changing the Egyptian politheism into monotheism (probably he made influence in the first jews), and concentrated the authority in himself.
13) Persia (CivII-IV)
-Cyrus the Great (CivIII-IV)
-Darius I (CivIV)
14) Babylon (CivI-IV)
-Nebuchadnezzar II. He built the Hanging Gardens, expelled out the Assyrians, and conquered Judah and Jerusalem.
-Nabopolassar. He left the Assyrian dependence and founded the Neo-Babylonian Empire.
15) Aztec Empire, also known as Mexican Empire (CivI-IV)
-Moctezuma II, also known as Moctezuma Xocoyotzin (CivI-IV). No more skulls in his hat, he isn’t a cannibal.
-Moctezuma I, also known as Moctezuma Ilhuicamina or just Ilhuicamina. He subjugated the Huastecs, Totonacs and Mixtecs.
-Itzcoatl. He laid the foundations for the eventual Aztec Empire conquering the surrounding cities, and did a religious and law reform.
16) Incan Empire, also known as Tawantinsuyu (CivIII-IV)
-Huayna Capac (CivIV)
-Manco Capac. He founded the Kingdom of Cusco, the origin of the Incan Empire.
17) Ethiopia (CivIV)
-Zara Yaqob, also known as Constantine I (CivIV)
-Ezana. He was the first Christian ruler of the world, organized the Ethiopian Church, and destroyed the Kingdom of Kush.
-Haile Selassie. He fought Mussolini’s armies and is considered the black reincarnation of Christ by the Rastafari (his pre-imperial name was Ras Tafari, that means Lord Tafari).
18) Japan (CivII-IV). I’d choose Mongolia before, but the game developers will be interested in selling more games in Japan.
-Ieyasu Tokugawa (CivII-IV)
-Mutsuhito, also known as Meiji Tenno. He abolished the shogunate and the feudalism, leaded the Meiji Restoration to modernize Japan and to make it into an industrial country and a great power, and conquered Korea.
-Minamoto Yoritomo. He was the first Shogun of Japan and founded the Kamakura Shogunate, 1185-1333.
I prefer realistic approach, with ancient civilizations instead of new ones. I suggested, in another topic, that you can start with a major tribe and then form your own, as canadians can be english and, earlier, saxons... or, pehamps, french.
I am a turk from istanbul, but i won't be saying that we have to be in 18 civs... I think we will but i do not know or care. about canada, i really like your country but please, you do not have history. I agree abaut u.s. too. I have a family tree that has a history older that U.S. ...and abaut poland. i respect you but you did not stop us, the turks ... austrians did.(sorry for misspells even for this)
also this is a game that we will all enjoy. all of us get bored about politic.this game is not abaut racism or anything. just play it. you wont solve anything it's just a game. try to enjoy it... (sorry abaut my spelling)
Even though the USA shouldn't be in a game about civilisations, there is merit in basing the civ names depending on which era or age you start in.. If you start in ancient times, the USA could be called the 'Native American Indians' and if you start in modern times from 1500 odd onwards, their called USA... not Americans.. thats a continent.. everyone that lives in north and south america are americans.. the USA really doesn't have a real name as such.. their the United States of America (or North America really).. not like Canada = Canadians (who are North Americans also).. and thats the real problem with multicultural modern countries, is that civilisation was already extant for the majority, geographically and ethnographically defined..
[/QUOTE] Perhaps the Civ V could be an opportunity to change the starting premises. The beginning civilizations could be the ancient cultures: Asiatic or Mongoloid, Indo-European, African, Amerind, perhaps older civilizations like the Etruscans (or rather their mother civilization), and the ancient civilization of the Indus Valley. As the game progresses, and inventions develop, it would be possible for subdivisions to appear, so that Indo-European (for example) could split into Celtic, Germanic, Greek. The player could have a choice, and there would be advantages to either choice. Dividing could work like in blackjack, so that the player could run two civilizations and improve his chances of making discoveries. Not dividing could improve the number of cities possible, or facilitate the management of ressources; this choice would be more or less the history of China, or of the great hydraulic civilizations.
Ultimately, a player could become one of the modern countries, France or the United States, and the nature of these countries could be a variety of winning conditions. This approach would both move the game play into historical parameters and increase the scope for creativity[/QUOTE]
It may seem strange to quote oneself, but I would like to bring back my suggestion of starting with the basic known cultures, identified perhaps more by their origin than by much history. The key element in my proposal is that some uncertainty be included into the basic mechanism of the game. As many civilizations, or cultures, evolved from any given common root, the game programme could push a player into choices: either a multiple civilization, not totally controlled, but more creative, or a massive civilization with more ressources but less creative flexibility. If any discussants here have read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel, or perhaps Fernand Braudel's Grammar of Civilizations, they will remember that different starting variables will favour different choices; Diamond, for example, suggests that Europe's diversity, hence competition, made it more likely to explore, as opposed to China's centralized organization, which could send out the great expeditions of Tcheng Ho, but just as suddenly stop them.
The game is, after all, called Civilization !
A codicil to my own post... Does anyone remember the original Civilization, the paper and cardboard game published by Avalon Hill in 1981, though there was an earlier version by Trefoil Games in England ? There were no countries or civilizations then, just starting points around the Mediterranean !
2/ Canada won't be in, as they were mainly a dominion. US should be in, seeing that they were one of the superpowers of the Cold War, finishing participants in both world wars, and the creators of the first great republic on the world (French Revolution is after the American Revolution)
3/ If the Polish Marshal Ian Sobieski (who would be, or was a Polish King) did not arrive to flank our army, we would've captured Vienna with that assault. Poland probably won't be in the game, but that does not make them less important.
As a proud Canadian I think Canada should definitely NOT be in the game, at least not as one of the first 18 civs. Canada is really a great country, but...
a) It is VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY young, only 143 years old.
b) Canada's culture is VERY similar to that of the U.S.A. We are both (primarily) English speaking, democratic, capitalist, immigrant nations, who share the same landmass. In real life there are important differences, but in the grand historical scope of civ, Canada and the U.S. have far too much in common to take up 1/9 of the potential civs.
c) Canada is not a small or insignificant country,(2nd largest land area, 10-11th biggest economy, 38th? biggest population) but we are not terribly powerful either. Many of our most important achievements have been accomplished while working with either the Americans or the Brits, etc.
d) The USA SHOULD be in the game, because they have been VERY VERY VERY important for the last 200 years. It is impossible to imagine modern history without the US. This is simply not true for Canada.
If the game was purely focused on the 20th century than I think Canada should be included, but not for a game that lasts for 6000 years.
I think the 18 civs should be...
1. Sumeria/Babylon/Assyria - I don't care which one, but the Mesopotamian cradle of civilization MUST be represented.
4. The Arabs
5. Mali/Ethiopia - One Sub-Saharan African civ needs to be in the original 18. I would prefer Ethiopia, as it is quite a bit older then any civilization in W.Africa
6. India - Probably the most worthy civ in the whole game, except for perhaps...
7. China - Both China and India are so huge and old that NO other civ in history can compare to either of them.
8. Japan (though Korea should definitely be in the first expansion pack)
9. Mongolia -2nd biggest Empire ever, and a good representative of all the pastoral civilizations from the Scythians to the Turks who have terrorized the agricultural civs...
10. Khmer/Viet/Thai/Indonesia - I don't care, SE Asia needs to be represented.
11. Incas (One Native civ is good for the first 18, and I prefer the Inca to the Aztecs)
12. UK (please not "England")
No USA for me, that's just a personal feeling. But I never play as the Americans, and I never select to play against them. My favorite part of civ is the early eras, and the Americans seem so anachronistic to me. Perhaps the USA, Canada, Aust, etc. can be thought of as offshoots of the "British" civilization, no? If you have the same basic government, language, economic system and religion as another country it seems difficult to say you are truly a distinct civilization. Or maybe civ can flip it's Euro-centric axis, and just give us one great big "Western" civilization. Then the Indians and Chinese can be represented by lots of little groups. Haha!
1. Western Civilization
2. The Tamils
3. The Bengalis
4. The Punjabis
5. The Shang
6. The Han
7. The Tang, etc.
Wouldn't that just be a great mind**** for all the people who think "Spain" - 45 million people is a real equivalent to China (1.3 billion)
and yes, England should be called Britain.. Its the older name and represents, now and historically, more than just Angland..
Me, I would like definitely to have as civilization the Corsica, with for leader Pasquale Paoli http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal_Paoli
Filippo Antonio Pasquale di Paoli (Pascal Paoli, April 6, 1725 – February 5, 1807), was a Corsican patriot and leader, the president of the Executive Council of the General Diet of the People of Corsica. Paoli designed and wrote the Constitution of this first democratic republic of the modern age himself. It was a representative democracy asserting that the elected Diet of Corsican representatives had no master. Paoli held his office by election and not by appointment. It made him commander-in-chief of the armed forces as well as chief magistrate. Paoli's government claimed the same jurisdiction as the Republic of Genoa. In terms of de facto exercise of power, the Genovese held the coastal cities, which they could defend from their citadels, but the Corsican republic controlled the rest of the island from Corte, its capital.
We ever had Boudicca which reigned only 2 years...But I presume that it will be not for this time we will have Corsica and Paoli...
excuse my english but i'm corsican
Oh ****, is someone can delete this post, I've made a confusion between two subjects...
Last edited by Ghjamba; 03-03-2010 at 11:10 PM. Reason: confusion
I Would add 50 countries instead of Corsica...
I may be un-popular by saying this but i think they should have 0 civs. As in 0 real civs. The whole point of these civilizations is that they are who they are by the choices they made in history. Why can't they implements a system where you completely build your own empire, and define who they are by the choices you make.
16. Iroquois (or Native American)
These seem to be the civilizations that are usually included in the first version of all the games (w/ the exception of the native americans... maybe replace them w/ the Mali). I'd assume that expansion packs to CIV V will include more civs and more leaders like usual. Which honestly is a good financial move b/c I always buy the expansion packs just so I can play as my fav civ... the Vikings.
Omg what a huge number of posts I'd like to answer to. I just pick a small number cause I don't want to sit here writing all night long. [Edit: Right now, posting this it's 1:10 CET so it is night for me ]
Just something to say before writing anything else: Do me the pleasure to excuse my very bad english.
BTW: I think you should have Hitler as a German leader, but I'm sure it could be difficulty to get any permission to sell any game in Germany where you can play as him.
BTW2: I'm no Nazi but German and think it this way.
A nice list of countries seems to be the one I read some pages ago written by Mesteut:
PS: Could you do me a favor: Stop this stupid discussion about Canada becoming a civilization. It won't!
Personally, I always hated the inclusion of US in civ. On one hand, it's about as entertaining as playing Human Fighter back in AD&D (I already know what it's like to be a guy with no magical powers). On the other hand I always wished the civ choices more closely represented societies that existed around the start of the game, or at least feel like they could have with a modest suspension of disbelief.
Obviously Rome and Egypt both starting the game on the same turn is a little anachronistic, but it makes a whole lot more sense than the United States and China having the same start date.
To put it another way, if we can play as Rome but not Italy, the Aztecs but not Mexico, the Khmer but Vietnam Laos Combodia or Thailand, then I don't understand why we should be able to play as the US.
My prediction for the 18 (if it's correct that there will be 18):
I'd prefer that they refer to more ancient/medieval names such as Franks, Celts, Saxons, Huns, etc, but that'll confuse too many Americans. I'm Canadian but have no special desire to see a 'Canadian Empire' - that's laughable. If you really want it then simply change the lexic for your civ and name your cities Thuderbay, Moosejaw, Regina, etc.
I'd also like to see much more in the way of civ-specific units - 1 per civ is just not enough. I'd also like to see religion-specific effects, but undoubtedly they're too afraid to offend any religious people to do it.
I could go on with a wishlist, but I'll wait till the game's out and then ☺☺☺☺☺ about where they f@cked up.
Which one before Corsica?
From America: Canada, Usa, Aztec, Maya, Inca, Brazil, New Spain, México.
From Europe: Portugal, Spain, France, England, Scotland, Uk, Rome, Italy, France, Carolingian Empire, Vikings, Celts, Germany, AustriaHungary, Romania, Rusia, Poland, Dutch, Geneve, Venezia, Malta, Vatican, Greece, Macedonia, Denmark, Bizantine
Add Asia and Africa...
So.. yes 50 before Corsica.
And Mounties as special unit
I would like to see the original 14 civs from Civ 1 in here to start off. Then add 4 more that have been in past civ games that I think should be in this list as well
CIV I Civilizations
4 From other past Civ Games
Civs I would like to see in add-ons
I would like that the expansions of Civ V were about periods or areas, like CivV: Ancient Times or CivV:Far East. They could include many civilizations and many scenarios. The programmers can do many expansions of Civ V and no more parts of the Civ saga, that is, I don’t want CivVI and CivVII. Besides, I would like less European civilizations and more civilizations of all the world, mainly Africans, that were important in History although we don’t know.
Anyway, my next 18 civilizations and each 3 leaders for the expansions are:
19) Mongolia (CivI-IV)
-Genghis Khan (CivI-IV)
-Kublai Khan (CivIV)
-Ögodei Khan. As sucessor of Genghis, he conquered huge territories in China, Central Asia and Eastern Europe.
20) Assyria. It was an Empire of the area of Syria, Irak, Turkey, Lebanon, Palestine and Israel during the 19th-7th centuries, destroyed by Babylonians and Persians.
-Ashurbanipal, also known as Sardanapalus. He developed the Assyrian art and literature and conquered the Empire of Elam.
-Tiglath-Pileser III. He founded the Neo-Assyrian Empire and conquered Hatti territory, Persian territory, Philistia and Israel.
-Sargon II. He conquered Samaria and Babylon and defeated the armies of Urartu, Elam, Egypt and Philistia.
21) Carthage (CivII-IV)
-Hanno the Great. He conquered territories in Africa, was enemy of the Barcid family, which Hannibal was member of, and so belonged to the pro-Roman faction of the Carthaginian Senate.
-Mago I. He was the King of Carthage and, in his time, this phoenician colony became preeminent in Western Mediterranean economically and politically.
22) Sioux (CivII and more or less CivIV)
-Sitting Bull, also known as Tatanka Iyotanke (CivIII-IV)
-Crazy Horse, also known as Tasunka Witko. He was leader of the tribal alliance with Sitting Bull and Red Cloud and participated in the Battle of Little Bighorn.
23) Khmer Empire (CivIV)
-Suryavarman II (CivIV)
-Jayavarman II. He was the founder of the Khmer Empire.
-Indravarman I. He was a builder ruler: irrigation systems, shrines, moats, etc.
24) Mali (CivIV)
-Kankan Musa I (CivIV)
-Sundiata Keita. He founded the Mali Empire and conquered the Ghanan Empire.
-Uli I, also known as Ouli or Ali. He conquered Gambia and lands of gold minery between Senegal and Mali.
25) Songhai Empire. It was an Empire of the area of Niger, Nigeria, Mali, Burkina Fasso and Senegal during the 7th-16th centuries destroyed by the armies of Morocco Sultanate, which were leaded by a Muslim Spaniard.
-Askia Muhammad I, also known as Muhammad Toure. He set up a developed bureaucracy and made his Empire strong in trade and economy.
-Sunni Ali Ber. He conquered the most of the territory of Mali.
-Askia Daoud. He expanded the Empire and defeated the Mossi in battles.
26) Turkey (CivIII-IV)
-Suleiman the Magnificent (CivIV)
-Osman I (CivIII)
-Mehmed II (CivIV)
27) Hatti (CivIII)
-Suppiluliuma I. He conquered the Mittani Kingdom and conquered Egyptian cities.
-Mursili II (CivIII)
-Hattusili I. He united all the Hittite Kingdoms in an Empire.
28) Maya Kingdoms (CivIII-IV)
-Pacal II, also known as K’inich J’anaab Pakal (CivIV)
-Ah Mekat Tutul Xiu. He founded the Mayapan Alliance, which joined the Itza, the Tutul Xiu and the Cocom from 10th century to 12th century.
-K’inich Yak K’uk’ Mo’, also known as Green Quetzal Macaw. He was the first King of Copan and the founder of Yax Kuk Mo dinasty, in which time (5th-9th centuries) knowlodge of maths and astronomy, writing and art was developed.
29) Iroquois Confederacy (CivIII)
-The Great Peacemaker, also known as Deganawida. He was a prophet and spiritual leader who founded the Iroquois Confederacy.
-Red Jacket, also known as Sagoyewatha. He negotiated the independence of the Six Nations with G. Washington.
30) Celts (CivII-IV)
-Vercingetorix. Member of the Arverni, he united the Gaul peoples to fight Caesar.
-Viriathus. Member of the Celtici, he leaded the Lusitani and the Celtici to resist against the Romans, who were defeated several times, in Hispania (Spain).
31) Vikings (CivII-IV)
-Ragnar Lodbrok (CivII-IV)
-Cnut the Great, also known as Canute, Knut or Cnut Sweynsson (CivII)
-Erik the Red, also known as Eric Thorvaldssen. He colonized Groenland.
32) Majapahit. It was an Empire in Indonesia, Singapore, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines, and East Timor during 13th-16th centuries, destroyed by a Indonesian Sultanate.
-Hayam Wuruk, also known as Rajasanagara. His reign was the golden age of Majapahit because conquered territories and the Javanese culture was developed.
-Raden Wijaya, also known as Kertarajasa Jayawardhana. He founded the Majapahit Kingdom.
-Tribhuwana Wijayatunggadewi. She conquered neighbour kingdoms in a great expansion.
33) Korea (CivIII-IV)
-Wang Kon (CivIII-IV)
-Sejong the Great. He created the Korean alphabet and developed the Korean science and culture making inventions and writing books.
-Taejo, also known as Yi Seong-gye or Yi Dan. He was the first Korean King of the Joseon Dinasty (14th-20th centuries) and established the capital in Seoul.
34) Kongo. It was a Kingdom of the area of R.Congo, D.R.Congo, and Angola during the 14th-19th centuries, destroyed by Belgium, Portugal and France.
-Nzinga Mbemba, also known as Mbemba a Nzinga Ndo Funsu or Afonso I. He converted his Kingdom to Christianism and estableshed the Catholic Church of Kongo in order to create a unique society. He expanded the Kingdom with Portuguese mercenaries.
-Nkuwu Nzinga, also known as Nzinga a Nkuwu or Joâo I. He developed his economical relations with the Portuguese and adopted the Christianism.
-Lukeni Iua Nimi, also known as Ntinu Nimi a Lukeni. He founded the Kingdom of Kongo.
35) Zimbabwe, also known as Great Zimbabwe and, later, Mutapa or Munhumutapa. It was in the area of Zimbabwe and Mozambique during 13th-18th centuries, ruled by the Shona and destroyed by the Portuguese. This is the real civilization whose capital was Zimbabwe, not the Zulus, whose capital was Ulundi in South Africa.
-Matope. He extended the Mutapa Kingdom into Empire conquering lands of other peoples and developed the trade of minerals and ivory.
-Mututa. He conquered Great Zimbabwe and founded the Mutapa Kingdom.
-Rusvingo. He founded the Kingdom of Zimbabwe.
36) Ghana, also known as Wagadu. It was an Empire of the area of Mauritania, Mali and Senegal during the 8th-13th centuries, annexed into the Mali Empire.
-Dinga Cisse, also known as Majan Dyabe Cisse. He founded this Empire in a political centralization.
-Bassi. He resisted the Berber attacks of the Almoravids.
-Tunka Manin. He was defeated by the Almoravids.
My next civilization would be the Zulu Kingdom, not Zululand because this was the name of the Zulu territory under British rule. I don’t choose the Zulu Kingdom in my 36 civilizations because its duration was so short (1818-1897) and it was so small (30,000 km2 around Ulundi). My 3 leaders would be Shaka, Cethswayo, and Dinizulu.
This is my first post, so, ya know, go easy,
Aside from the debates about who should be included, I think my own personal greediness would like more than 18, civ always seems to get more expansive in the level of choice in deciding who you can play as, whereas choosing from 18 does not seem like such a big leap from IV, off hand i cant remember how many there were to choose from? But I have enjoyed greatly the additional choice, I would like to play as old groups like the Vikings, that sounds cool , and even further back. And more! Im just greedy, and the screen shots look great! However I dont like choice and developments in games being sidelined to expansion packs and add-ons! Fair enough if they are programming developments that are only made after the release of the game, but when it comes to content, you should cram as much as possible!
PS, Based on this discussion and my own gut reaction, I think I would like to play as Mexico as well.
Assyria would be a good adiction indeed. Like Sumeria in the Beyond the Sword expansion of Civ IV.
Okay, though I'll admit that I have some bias here, I have to ask why:
And they are ranked after:
Of course, I doubt you're going to agree with that.
Like everyone else who's ever played Civ, I think that it is weird to include the US as a civilization that starts in 4000 BC. But one of the fundamental problems with Civ is that it doesn't represent newly emerging civilizations. You can't really have an America situation in Civ - where a civilization suddenly emerges as a powerhouse player. Sure, you could just say that the American civilization of real life was in reality just the British "civ" invading the land of the Native American "civs" and gaining a bunch of fantastically good resources. But at this point, I think that we Americans, for better or worse, really do count as a separate civilization. I've always wished that there was some way to represent new civilizations in Civ without just pretending that the Americans - and every other civilization that got its start after the time of loin cloths and clubs - have really been around since the dawn of time.
In theory, I like the splitting civilization idea that was mentioned a while back. I've thought of similar ideas in the past. I can't 100% tell you that I would actually enjoy playing that way. But I really, really would like to see some game mechanic introduced that represents this very important facet of history. And even forgetting historical accuracy, it would be nice to not get a new face in the game every once in a while. Dealing with the same half-dozen people gets a little monotonous after the first few millennia.
If, somehow, a clump of six cities broke off of the English civilization at 1750, there would be no way that those six cities could grow into a world power in just 100 turns. They would be lucky to be able to triple their number of cities while keeping themselves defended, much less develop into a world power. And that assumes that they would have land to spread into. Except for specialized maps (Terra, Earth), most land is claimed (de jure or de facto) by the middle ages. If a new civ showed up in the late game, they couldn't hope for much more than to attach themselves with one of the other powers.
In order to actually pull this off, Civ would have to find a way to prevent expansionism. That means an overhaul to not just the game engine but the very idea of the game.
This is kind of a moot discussion since they have already decided the 18 civs and leaders, although I'm sure we can all discuss who we want in the expansions Although the idea that America shouldn't be in at the start is silly, it's like suggesting that the Romans should die out by the 5th century. America will be in the game and should be because it is so influential in the modern world. And they have to (like all Civs in the game) start in 3000BC until they are wiped out or the game ends. Civ is not an accurate representation of real world history. I have said both these points multiple times on these forums:
Realism/History vs Game-play
Civ is a game where you re-write history not re-live it.
Posting this in it's own thread, since this thread isn't updated and is bloated. I will update my new thread as time goes by.
Civ - Leader - UniqueTrait
America - Washington
Russia - Catherine - City Expansion
England - Elizabeth - Naval Dominance
China - Wu Zeitein
Mongolia - Genghis Khan
Rome - Caesar
Egypt - Ramses
Japan - Oda
Germany - Bismark
India - Gandhi - City Growth
Aztec - Montezuma
Ottoman - Suleiman
Songhai - Askia (no Zulu) - Conquest
Arabia - Harun al-Rashid (no Persia)
France - Napolean
Inca - (leader not announced)
2 left unannounced:
Greece - (Probably Alexander, but maybe the buck trends and go with Leonidas... Hell yeah!)
Spain(would be surprised to see them replace Spain with Portugal) -
Last edited by Procylon; 03-08-2010 at 11:35 AM.
Nowadays, the Spanish culture is expanding around the world and probably will be more important than the Anglosaxon culture in this century.