How Much Like Revolution is VI Expected to Be?
Warning: possible elitist sentiments expressed below.
I'm curious as to how much like Revolution the new game is anticipated to be. My initial jubilation that Civ was coming to consoles got deflated by my instinct that console games are usually streamlined and intended to sell to the majority.
Unfortunately, Revolution was exactly what I feared it would be. I have a friend who, to be diplomatic, will be described as not being interested in overly-complex anything. When I bought Civ IV Complete, I gave him my original discs, and he hated it with a passion, citing his dislike for "brainy" games.
When Civ Revolution came out, he phoned me excitedly and said he was finally "into" Civilization. I kept up a strong appearance until the conversation ended, then collapsed and wept for some time. Civilization had gone popular.
My worry is that Civilization V will be less Civilization IV + AWESOME new complicated stuff for eager minds, and more Civilization Revolution for hyper-intelligent minds who got bored of Revolution after their second 3-hour game.
so are you saying you dislike civilization revolution?
i bought revolution, and loved civilization, my friend said he had civ iv, so i went to his house and played it, and it was too complicated, and seemed boring, and long.. while revolution is like a quick game.
It's not that I dislike Revolution. It's more that, if a Civ game doesn't last at least a week, I feel ripped off. That being said, not everyone has the time and the emotional investment to play really elongated games, and Civ Rev is probably perfect for them.
Originally Posted by Hellogoodbye123
I just hope Firaxis keeps developing Civ Rev-type games for that market, and pursues the par excellence route for people whose intellects are far too bulky to fit into a three hour game.
It's not a judgment on anyone, although I understand it is elitist, which isn't my fault. I have high expectations of Sid Meier's Civilization because the incredible quality of the numbered games so far put them there. This is not a put-down to anyone.It is a compliment to Sid Meier, Firaxis, 2K and anyone else involved in me getting my Civ fix.
I played Revolution, and enjoyed it. That being said, comparing it in depth to any of the PC Civ games is stupid. Revolution is a stripped-down, "popular" civ. That's why they made it for consoles.
There is no war Civ V will be as simple as Revolution. They are making them as different subgroups of the same series. It's like Halo games and Halo Wars. :P
No news about Civilization The Number could please me more
Originally Posted by Bob Ilyani
I only asked the question, because the bottom line of producing any commercial product is profit. Most products aim for universality of appeal, and far too many cool and "niche" products have been downgraded in order to boost sales.
I could never forgive anyone who let this happen to Civilization The Number.
Last edited by CivHyperFreak; 02-20-2010 at 11:08 AM.
I doubt Civ V will be anything like the console versions. I remember reading about how the console games were specifically designed to make games last only a few hours, so they could be completed in a single sitting. I'm sure the simplified gameplay was also to help introduce the series to new players.
The computer games in the series are known for epicly long games and strategic gameplay, and I don't see that changing. The battle system changes in Civ V seem like they'll increase the amount of attention that battles will require, instead of just having a ton of stacked units. Changes to diplomacy will add more options, which also seems contrary to the simplified gameplay of Revolution.
I hope that Civ 5 allows for a Civ:Rev - gamestyle in addition to the standard variant.
Because unlike Civ-standard the Civ:Rev-games can be completed without having to worry about sleep
I consider them a bit like hamburgers and other fast food.
It's nice for a quick snack, but a full 3+ course meal is so much more satisfying if you've got the time ...
Civ:Rev is for weekends, Civ 4 is for holidays
I'd say Revolution succeeded as a gateway for new fans to the series. I'd seen the Civilization games in the store for years without ever giving them any consideration. Then one week in the summer (back when I had an unlimited game pass at Blockbuster) I had already rented most of the games for 360 that I was really excited about, so I decided to give Revolutions a try.
Needless to say I fell in love with it, and just two months later I found my self buying The Complete Civilization IV.
Civ:Rev ... the gateway drug
Perhaps they should add a warning if they ever decide to make a sequel.
"Warning : extremely addictive, can ruin your social life"
Heh, I never played Civ Rev.. I don't think they ever followed through with their plans to make it for the Wii, and thats the console I have.
That being said, I'm with the original poster. I really hope Civ V lives up to all the things we've come to expect from the PC games. I play other games that don't have the depth of strategy that Civ has, and I enjoy them for a short time.. But, I've been playing Civ since 1991. No other game has held my interest the way that Civ has, and it's because of the depth of the game.
I'm sure the developers understand this, so I will feel confident that they will deliver a product that meets our expectations.
You know there is a save feature and you can pretty much control the time investment by simply reducing ghte size of the map right?
Me? I tend to play on the largest available map with all the bells and whistles set at max. I start out at lowest difficulty setting and work my way up. Since I finally got a computer that would handle four I've manged to work my way up to prince difficulty level -or whatever it is follows Noble now - It's taken me a while but I wouldn't have it any other way.
Last edited by garyda; 02-21-2010 at 06:09 AM.
I couldnīt stand Revolution. I think that it's a good idea to split the series in two to try new things, but the The Sims-like characters in Civ Rev was just awful, to the extent that I couldnīt keep playing it.