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    Unhappy Long War 2 Defeat! Why? Please help

    Was playing on Commander Ironman... Have all major buildings... Have laser weapons... Suits with grapples... 5 or 6 contolled regions... 700$ per month income Was infiltrating one mission to get officer corpse to produce skulljack and suddenly got message where Speaker told about success of Elders and then info message that I defeated (after 17 missions). Why?? or even ☺☺☺????? I didnt see any scale of Avatar project progress or something like this! Why that happened? How to avoid that? What did I wrong?

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    When you say you had 5-6 controlled regions, you didn't really control them. They were still generating missions and you were still getting attacked, right?

    It doesn't work quite like the base game and expanding as quickly as possible probably isn't the best tactic (although I just lost again, I've gotten further).

    Your first objective is to liberate a region (probably the home one). To do this you need to go for missions labelled "find a lead". These have a chance (maybe 50/50) of starting the liberation chain of missions for that region only. Subsequent ones are just labelled "liberation", usually a rescue VIP and Dark VIP. Then you get the 2 set piece missions which are obvious. Completing these reveals the doom counter (which activates about same time as base game, but is hidden) and the Black site.

    Put most, if not all your resistance people on intel in the region you want to liberate and scan at that site (worth another 4)n to detect missions early. Try to do it fairly quickly as advent strength will start ramping up. Obviously, you still need to equip your people and do other important missions. You'll also be infiltrating all your best troops with all your best equipment for some time for the last one.

    "Find a lead" missions with "intel packet" as a reward give you either a random scanning site on the map, or a facility lead once the doom counter is revealed. Facility leads aren't quite like the base game either. They reveal a facility on the map, but you have to contact the region. They are the only way to find them.

    Loads of discussion here:

    http://www.pavonisinteractive.com/ph...forum.php?f=15

    Commander Ironman is a really high level to start with though. I could do base game Legendary Ironman if I got a decent start, but LW Veteran is spanking me even if I restart bad missions. Don't expect to steamroller everything once you get to mag weapons and a few ammo upgrades. As well as generally tougher enemies, all the permanent tactical dark events really stack up. Frankly, it's hard as nails.

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    u are playing with the latest LW2 patch I assume.

    yeah, the new patch screwed alot.

    no doom counter.
    team gone missing in infiltration when mission disappeared
    etc..
    in my current LW2 game, the codex would not appear!
    I already did the gateway but I need to skulljack a codex to progress through the story. I already have all the research and top level gears but codex wont come out!

    I already have everything built. all regions contacted. everything. each mission I checked with shadowchamber where codex comes out, but its just freakin no show.

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    Man, you are right I got missions every second from several hours to infiltrate to 11 says with different objects

    Thanks for your comments. But imagine there are no forums with advices - where shall we (players) find the rules of objects of the game?

    Inside game only general i fo and NO info at all about liberation missions


    Quote Originally Posted by Dagless View Post
    When you say you had 5-6 controlled regions, you didn't really control them. They were still generating missions and you were still getting attacked, right?

    It doesn't work quite like the base game and expanding as quickly as possible probably isn't the best tactic (although I just lost again, I've gotten further).

    Your first objective is to liberate a region (probably the home one). To do this you need to go for missions labelled "find a lead". These have a chance (maybe 50/50) of starting the liberation chain of missions for that region only. Subsequent ones are just labelled "liberation", usually a rescue VIP and Dark VIP. Then you get the 2 set piece missions which are obvious. Completing these reveals the doom counter (which activates about same time as base game, but is hidden) and the Black site.

    Put most, if not all your resistance people on intel in the region you want to liberate and scan at that site (worth another 4)n to detect missions early. Try to do it fairly quickly as advent strength will start ramping up. Obviously, you still need to equip your people and do other important missions. You'll also be infiltrating all your best troops with all your best equipment for some time for the last one.

    "Find a lead" missions with "intel packet" as a reward give you either a random scanning site on the map, or a facility lead once the doom counter is revealed. Facility leads aren't quite like the base game either. They reveal a facility on the map, but you have to contact the region. They are the only way to find them.

    Loads of discussion here:

    http://www.pavonisinteractive.com/ph...forum.php?f=15

    Commander Ironman is a really high level to start with though. I could do base game Legendary Ironman if I got a decent start, but LW Veteran is spanking me even if I restart bad missions. Don't expect to steamroller everything once you get to mag weapons and a few ammo upgrades. As well as generally tougher enemies, all the permanent tactical dark events really stack up. Frankly, it's hard as nails.

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    Dude, I am tooo far away from that at the moment�� My headache is troopers who crit me through. Full cover

    And yes I use the latest patch

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    point of me asking re latest patch is:
    1. do you see the doom counter counting? no more right? so how can you prevent it counting if you dont know where it is already.
    2. And in my case, i am far far ahead of the troop development and research and everything, but the story would not progress. so how will i counter anything if it wont give me the story based events.

    i really like LW2.. the 8 classes not so much - too redundant. I went back to playing vanilla until they fix it up.

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    Man, I do not see Avatar progress yet, but one guy at Steam community told me that Avatar will appear only after total liberation of one region

    Will see, have 2 dots of liberation at the moment, so cant argue

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    total liberation means?
    a) all country in a region with contact?
    b) all country in a region with tower?
    c) all country in the world with tower?

    because, I am currently at C where I have all regions and each region have commnication towers. and I still could not get that black site let alone codex to hack to get avatar.

    the game ended as a loss because I could not get any progress in the game!

    I repeated the game created a new game and i already got a full pack of sparks, everything done and still no stupid black site

    when they said Long War is long, they should instead call it "Looooooooooooooooooooooooooong War"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnakore View Post
    total liberation means?
    a) all country in a region with contact?
    b) all country in a region with tower?
    c) all country in the world with tower?

    because, I am currently at C where I have all regions and each region have commnication towers. and I still could not get that black site let alone codex to hack to get avatar.

    the game ended as a loss because I could not get any progress in the game!

    I repeated the game created a new game and i already got a full pack of sparks, everything done and still no stupid black site

    when they said Long War is long, they should instead call it "Looooooooooooooooooooooooooong War"
    a) no
    b) no
    c) no

    What I am calling a region, you are calling a country.

    You need to liberate 1 country. You can do it before you contact any others, before even researching resistance comms (if you really want).

    You need to complete the liberation chain of missions. Each country has a separate chain of liberation missions, so you need to concentrate on one country at a time. Obviously you can still go for other mission as needed.

    There are 5 liberation missions per country.

    I think this is about right, but the wording might be slightly different. The first 3 aren't spoiling too much to read. If you miss one or fail one, a new one should be generated before too long.

    Mission 1:
    Objective: Find a Lead
    I think always a Guerilla Ops data hack mission. Completing it only has a chance of unlocking the next one. Maybe 50/50.


    Mission 2:
    Objective: Liberation: Rescue a defector
    City map mission for engineer, scientist or soldier, usually in a van. Completing it always unlocks the next mission.


    Mission 3:
    Either
    Objective: Liberation: Destroy a Relay.
    Guerilla Ops Relay mission. Perhaps a bit tougher.
    or
    Objective: Liberation: Neutralise Advent VIP.
    City map assassination mission. Definitely a bit tougher. Capture the VIP for a handy +1 resistance contacts.

    Completing it immediately makes the next mission available and attracts a lot of attention.


    The next two are obvious when you see them and definitely more of spoiler. Once unlocked you can do them whenever you are ready. But best not to wait too long as Advent strength will be getting high.

    Mission 4:
    Objective: Secure the Network Tower.
    Base game penultimate mission. Once unlocked you can take this whenever you like, although Advent strength will be building fast, so best to hit as soon as you can.


    Mission 5:
    Objective: Assault Regional HQ.
    Huge map. Tonnes of loot. Tonnes of Advent.
    As a wise man once said:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrTsuvykUZk


    PS. Seriously? You contacted every country? How did you do that before losing the game? I'm impressed. It's completely the wrong way to play it, but I'm still impressed.

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    Yes, I contacted and build communication towers on all regions. once I got my alpha team all leveled and equipped, I basically skipped all non-essential missions (or so I thought), and concentrated only on missions that I can bring bodies back (in case I have to fight codex or rulers).

    as far as doing those 5 mission types you listed, I am sure I have done those very early in the game when I need to do all the encounters to level up the soldiers.

    i will redo another playthrough from start for the 5th time. this is getting dumb boring shooting at advents and snakes and mecs and mutons...


    Correction: re those 5 mission types.
    I now remembered NOT getting the 4th and 5th mission type.
    As for Mission type 1,2,3, yeah I have made several of them. But I never get to receive mission 4,5.
    Perhaps this is because I expanded to another continent instead of the current continent. Early on, I had 4 regions and all of them on 4 different continents (Asia, then to US, Europe, Australia - something like that)
    And when I did just that, maybe I did missions 1~3 on several continents but never all of them in one continent.
    And later on, I only did missions that I can bring bodies back - (Raids).
    Last edited by ragnakore; 03-22-2017 at 11:12 PM.

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    Long War 2 Defeat! Why?
    Because you are a LW2 tester (as all others) -)

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    dude, sorry for late response! Guys from Steam community told me that total liberation was only if you would finish 5 liberations missions (description of them is based at www.ufoediedia.com)


    Quote Originally Posted by ragnakore View Post
    total liberation means?

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    LOL. Thank you for support lol. Bro, I wish you could give us (testers) link to rules/guidelines before we start. Now I realize that I have to read a lot of info on reddit, Steam, ufopedia and other forums


    Quote Originally Posted by Zizin View Post
    Because you are a LW2 tester (as all others) -)

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    Man, I am with you. I did the same mistakes and started LW2 6 or 7 times... Keep fighting!


    Quote Originally Posted by ragnakore View Post
    Yes, I contacted and build communication towers on all regions. once I got my alpha team all leveled and equipped, I basically skipped all non-essential missions (or so I thought), and concentrated only on missions that I can bring bodies back (in case I have to fight codex or rulers).

    as far as doing those 5 mission types you listed, I am sure I have done those very early in the game when I need to do all the encounters to level up the soldiers.

    i will redo another playthrough from start for the 5th time. this is getting dumb boring shooting at advents and snakes and mecs and mutons...

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    I am redoing LW2 for the last time.

    Currently have 4 regions in Asia. Not expanding to other continent at the moment, to focus and get this continent liberated by doing the aforementioned mission types.

    I have already done Mission types 1 (plenty of times), 2 (once) and 3 (twice). No mission type 4 nor 5. Why still no missions of these types I wonder. Maybe it is still to early?

    I have installed some mods to enable me to pickup enemy corpses for research and proving ground materials. I am currently building Shadow Chamber, and training a Psionic Soldier.

    Do note: In my very 1st LW2 playthrough, I managed to finish the whole campaign. But that was before the recent Feb 27 patch. After this patch, many of the missions DO NOT POP UP anymore. I have not even gotten any Black Site (or sabotage alien base) mission at all ever since.

    Tell me: I am aware that some missions require 100% Infiltration, but the missions that does not, what is the use of waiting out 100% Infiltration? Either I infiltrate at 0% or 100%, I always get to fight 8 aliens. So why wait for 100%??? Currently, I just Launch Mission so I can level up 8 soldiers as fast as possible. Is it the "reinforcements"? Now that I know how the reinforcements spawn, I am ready for them.
    Last edited by ragnakore; 03-23-2017 at 06:47 PM.

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    Infiltration affects enemy strength, detection radius, reinforcement drops, evac timer (a lot) and mission timer (a little).

    Also you get something like 85% of the experience from each alien from just completing the mission, split between your squad (capped at a minimum of 3 I've heard). Note this also seriously nerfs wet work to the point of being completely useless.

    So I think you can level your troops just as quickly taking small teams and not killing anything. Or thereabouts.

    Unless you are confident you can and really want to slog through 8 man pods in every mission, small stealth teams are perfectly viable.

    I tend to only take max soldiers on supply raids, troop ambushes and other big missions. Mainly because stealthing missions is usually quicker in real time.

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    re: Bradford and Shen's mini-missions

    I'm into the 2nd Continent, and still none of the DLC missions.

    This implies that after so much pain staking doing all the missions, I finally got to do all 5 mission types to open up blacksite mission.

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    And I got stuck again... damn CODEX wont come out, neither did the Alien Hunter mission.
    The only time Codex came out with the map was with the Portal Mission. yet according to Shadow Chamber, there were no Codex on that map and so I did not bring the skulljacker (specialist). BAD MISTAKE. Always bring skulljacker, always to that mission

    I give up.

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    It so unexpected and sad to hear that from experienced xcomer☹️️

    Are you playing on Ironman by the way? If players like you give up, who will inspire and follow mortals to finish Long War 2?

    I am ready to surrender too or switch to Veteran, but reading discussions among experienced guys about semi final missions always make me think: "they can do it, stop moaning and keep fighting"

    Come on, dude!


    Quote Originally Posted by ragnakore View Post

    I give up.

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    By the way I got Shen's mission after my 7th mission and it was easier than liberations/guerillas (doing commander/ironman currently)

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    1st Playthrough (prior to Feb 27 patch): Success. All missions available.
    2nd Playthrough (after Feb 27 patch): no CODEX. No Vahlen. best squad disappeared during infiltration. rage quit.
    3rd Playthrough : no CODEX. No Shen. No Vahlen. all regions contacted and towers built. no doom counter. ended with defeat.
    4th playthrough: no CODEX. No Shen. No Vahlen.
    5th playthrough: no CODEX. No Vahlen.

    it was damn boring skipping all missions trying to get a mission with CODEX with them. HELL I could not even get any progress anymore because of that missing CODEX! everything started with that patch after than LW2 was screwed!

    Frustrated, uninstalled for good. LW2 isnt for me.

    Im doing Ironman as well. and when I lost those squad in infiltrating, there was no savefile to go back.
    Last edited by ragnakore; 03-26-2017 at 12:57 AM.

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    I can not and do not want to imagine what you feel, dude! May be we shall wait some time while Pavonis fix everything. Looks like they read claims and react somehow

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    Dude. Duuude. You're getting what is basically a complete expansion for the game (worth a lot more than the dreadful DLCs, if you ask me) FOR FREE. Absolutely at no cost. It is a mod, though, so the early versions are bound to be buggy. I definitely feel your pain, but c'mon! Ironman is dangerous in the vanilla game for the same reason, playing it in LW at this point is just asking for trouble. I do agree the game loses a lot of suspence on Honestman. I personally tend to make excuses for save-scumming every once in a while. I'm weak that way

    Hopefully, you'll get the experience you want eventually.

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    I am over with the missing squad lost during infiltration. I already have a solution for that (batch file constantly saving the savefiles to a backup). Since then I havent had any of that problem.

    What I am pissed at is the lack of CODEX in the game. ☺☺☺ they wont appear! so how can I progress?

    I sure wanna edit the config files to always bring out the CODEX, but I dont have a clue which file.

    All of this frustrations came out only after the Feb 27 patch - during 2nd playthrough; since then LW2 was screwed.

    I do understand than LW2 is a completely FREE MOD. Thanks for the experience, I really enjoyed the mission types. But not so much with the redundant soldier classes. Thanks to LW2 modders nonetheless.

    LW2 Mod also nailed the additional Weapons MOD, in particular the Coil weapons. Shen said that they would like to incorporate Alien and local tech to come up with something unique... nailed it competely. unfortunately, they did not make it as the last tier weapon
    Last edited by ragnakore; 03-26-2017 at 08:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragnakore View Post
    LW2 Mod also nailed the additional Weapons MOD, in particular the Coil weapons. Shen said that they would like to incorporate Alien and local tech to come up with something unique... nailed it competely. unfortunately, they did not make it as the last tier weapon
    Say no more.

    http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=862274362

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