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    Europe VS 2K and others?

    Not long ago Take-Two announced all their games going forward are to have microtransactions.

    Whelp, it's looking like in Belgium (and possibly Europe in general), they are looking to ban loot boxes. So WWE 2K My Career loot boxes, COD loot boxes, Overwatch loot boxes. Maybe we could be saying goodbye to all this in the future if then ban catches on and spreads to other places.

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    DreamcastGuy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwm2P8GGPVk
    PCGamer - http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-...ned-in-europe/

    What do you guys think of loot boxes and maybe microtransactions in general possibly getting labelled as gambling and banned?

    On one hand it would be great for console/PC games. On the other hand this would devastate the free to play market (mobile gaming).
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    This the beginning of something good for the gaming industry hopefully. Between this, and the public waking up to the threat of the FCC repealing Net Neutrality (something every single user on this forum should be informed on, but this is not the proper forum to discuss it, so let's not get into that here, please use the resources you have to inform yourself) it's been a good day for the world of technology. I don't know if this will have any significant impact, not at least until more countries crack down on this exploitative business practice. I'm worried for the future of games in general, not to mention WWE games. It's hard to believe the same series and virtually the same developers that brought us Smackdown: Shut Your Mouth and Here Comes The Pain is succumbing to microtransactions starting next year.
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    I haven't even played career mode, so have no idea what these loot boxes etc. are. But my view is very simple: Microtransactions in a paid game is simply greed. On wikipedia microtrsnsactions are defined as; 'Microtransactions are often used in free-to-play games to provide a revenue source for the developers'. Well 2K already has a revenue source, because we've already paid for the game. 'Greed' is therefore the only word I can find to describe this.

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    about time i hope they get banned and companies that implemented them get fined for doing so
    they don't need microtransations to make a profit,take two made 260 plus millions profit without them

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    A game that costs yo $60 for the Standard Edition, $90 for the Deluxe Edition and $130 for the Collector's Edition has no right to implement microtransactions anywhere in the game, period. It will take someone stepping in on behalf of the consumers to stop this though, because the primary objective is to make money, that's why they withhold finished content and make us pay for content that otherwise could be included in the base game, or at least released much earlier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro2000 View Post
    I haven't even played career mode, so have no idea what these loot boxes etc. are. But my view is very simple: Microtransactions in a paid game is simply greed. On wikipedia microtrsnsactions are defined as; 'Microtransactions are often used in free-to-play games to provide a revenue source for the developers'. Well 2K already has a revenue source, because we've already paid for the game. 'Greed' is therefore the only word I can find to describe this.
    I completely agree with this. Though, it's not just 2K, it would be all of Take-Two's games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro2000 View Post
    I haven't even played career mode, so have no idea what these loot boxes etc. are. But my view is very simple: Microtransactions in a paid game is simply greed. On wikipedia microtrsnsactions are defined as; 'Microtransactions are often used in free-to-play games to provide a revenue source for the developers'. Well 2K already has a revenue source, because we've already paid for the game. 'Greed' is therefore the only word I can find to describe this.
    I haven't played it either, but I do believe there was some type of loot boxes in it from what I've heard. Though maybe they don't count as I don't think you have to pay for them. It was just a game that came to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justinlynch3 View Post
    I haven't played it either, but I do believe there was some type of loot boxes in it from what I've heard. Though maybe they don't count as I don't think you have to pay for them. It was just a game that came to mind.
    No, you're correct. Granted, they aren't unlocked via real money this year, but I personally believe the were originally slated to be unlocked via real money, but due to the backlash NBA received, they took that option out and left the VC option as the only way to unlock them. Either way, it's blatantly obvious that they are trying to groom us for microtransactions in the future, this was just the first step. Next year, we can expect VC earnings to be even lower, but now we have the option to "speed up the process" via microtransactions.

    It will be very interesting to see how the consumer base responds to that. We're pretty vocal about the issues these games experience every year, so I don't see this going over to well. The idea of them locking content behind a paywall when they can't even properly lock DLC before it's to be released is hilarious to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brother Itchweeed View Post
    No, you're correct. Granted, they aren't unlocked via real money this year, but I personally believe the were originally slated to be unlocked via real money, but due to the backlash NBA received, they took that option out and left the VC option as the only way to unlock them. Either way, it's blatantly obvious that they are trying to groom us for microtransactions in the future, this was just the first step. Next year, we can expect VC earnings to be even lower, but now we have the option to "speed up the process" via microtransactions.

    It will be very interesting to see how the consumer base responds to that. We're pretty vocal about the issues these games experience every year, so I don't see this going over to well. The idea of them locking content behind a paywall when they can't even properly lock DLC before it's to be released is hilarious to me.
    Yea I agree, I don't see it going over to well, at least not for this series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justinlynch3 View Post
    I haven't played it either, but I do believe there was some type of loot boxes in it from what I've heard. Though maybe they don't count as I don't think you have to pay for them. It was just a game that came to mind.
    there are loot boxes in mycareer that we have to buy to unlock moves,clothes and boosts and then buy them to be able to use them we can't buy them with real money sure but using real money or vc its still gambling

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    I think it doesn't matter. As this game have no micro transactions. Only random rewards from gaming progression/time.
    Even I don't like the myCareer loot boxes.

    But you are mixing the terms up. Loot boxes in WWE 2k18 are different kind of things than the ones you are talking about. As they are not to buy through mini payments. And I assume the topic about loot boxes is about saving kids/people from exploit of addictive behavior...at least their money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHLUCKi View Post
    I think it doesn't matter. As this game have no micro transactions. Only random rewards from gaming progression/time.
    Even I don't like the myCareer loot boxes.

    But you are mixing the terms up. Loot boxes in WWE 2k18 are different kind of things than the ones you are talking about. As they are not to buy through mini payments.
    they use the same mechanics as slot machines in casinos gambling its not just about winning its about the risk using real money or in game currency only doesn't matter your gambling one or the other in hope of getting an item you want

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    here you are wrong elric6. As you don't pay real money in this game. You earn a fake currency like in many games. You don't exchange real money into fantasy money to buy those boxes.
    ...in wwe2k18

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHLUCKi View Post
    here you are wrong elric6. As you don't pay real money in this game. You earn a fake currency like in many games. You don't exchange real money into fantasy money to buy those boxes.
    ...in wwe2k18
    I think what elric is driving at is it doesn't matter if the money is real or fake, it's still gambling either way. The idea behind it be it cash or vc is still the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHLUCKi View Post
    here you are wrong elric6. As you don't pay real money in this game. You earn a fake currency like in many games. You don't exchange real money into fantasy money to buy those boxes
    i know we don't use real money my point is we're still using a sistem that is considered as gambling we may be using vc not real money
    we're gambling with a virtual currency instead of real money

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    The article itself speaks about the the main focus might be on paying for something you don't know what you get. As you don't pay this games loot boxes are not what the politics are targeting.

    I welcome you to computer. Every game is a kind of gambling. There are always random things that happens. Like when doing a move and it gets blocked. Outlawing this I think we are at the same would go way too far. So it needs another thing to define what should get be illegal. It's the money aspect. And the money aspect is what makes gambling in many countries illegal...often with exceptions who are controlled.

    But you are right...that Windows Solitaire game is a waste of time...

    Edit: I know you are focusing on the addictive thread of games. But that's what hobbies are about, making you in some form addictive to them. But without being destructive. Every hobby have people who are going too far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHLUCKi View Post
    The article itself speaks about the the main focus might be on paying for something you don't know what you get. As you don't pay this games loot boxes are not what the politics are targeting.

    I welcome you to computer. Every game is a kind of gambling. There are always random things that happens. Like when doing a move and it gets blocked. Outlawing this I think we are at the same would go way too far. So it needs another thing to define what should get be illegal. It's the money aspect. And the money aspect is what makes gambling in many countries illegal...often with exceptions who are controlled.

    But you are right...that Windows Solitaire game is a waste of time...

    Edit: I know you are focusing on the addictive thread of games. But that's what hobbies are about, making you in some form addictive to them. But without being destructive. Every hobby have people who are going too far.
    with loot boxes we're essentially gambling for free in this game at least, if governments really want to stop underage teens from being exposed to
    it then loot boxes need to go, its not the same as a move being reversed its more like playing slot machines except in this game they're not monetized(sorry if i written it wrong), we got a freebie in wwe2k18 thats all

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    Quote Originally Posted by SCHLUCKi View Post
    here you are wrong elric6. As you don't pay real money in this game. You earn a fake currency like in many games. You don't exchange real money into fantasy money to buy those boxes.
    ...in wwe2k18
    Doesn't matter. Still gambling mechanics.

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    but every card game is legal. So you want all card games or anything that is based on luck being illegal?
    But that's what every sport game is. Maybe adventure games can get along without any random behaviors for what happens to the character.

    ...well, I start to repeat myself. As these arguments are ignored I stop this...

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    When real cash is being used, I can agree with the arguments against it, but there should be a distinction between it and VC or whatever in-game currency we're dealing with. It shouldn't be illegal for me to pop in GTA: San Andreas and gamble away my accumilated GTA Dollars in a Las Venturas casino.
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    Any possibility with lootbox controversy?

    As of this EA lovely scandal. Do you think maybe..just maybe. These loot boxes will be dropped next year? Been following all 2k games problems with them for years. But is there a glimmer of hope they see how perilous this is becoming? We've all put up with alot. Been vocal about our unhappiness. But for the first time in years we've got a small foot in the door. This year my career is literally trash worst it's ever been in my opinion because the system takes away a lot of creativity, if it was hey spend your hard earned VC on this specific move/attire/etc instead of this random chance after spending 10k to spend more on it. I think as unfortunate as things have been for years it would buy the company a little good will, with everything we put up with this has to be addressed along with the minimal rewards if they are choosing this route. Don't get me wrong love the grind idea and sense of accomplishment, but not if it's random chance bologna.
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    Sorry to stray off topic. Love the game besides that and the bugs, but what do you think the future holds after this EA postbox blowout for our beloved wwe series?

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    It's all mainstream news now. I can't see the lootbox fiasco continue now that it has been brought to light that it's both gambling and can create addictive personality traits in kids and adults alike.

    Hoping this takes hold and publishers don't try to come up with other ways to screw us out of extra pennies for minor rewards.

    If they start blatant overpricing of crappy items, like say £5 for an attire, then they can stuff their games.

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    That's another thing to worry about. For sure. Hoping it doesn't come to that but we know they've always got tricks up their sleeves.

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    I sadly don’t think it’s going away anytime soon. They’ll see what they can get away with at first, and if enough backlash ensues they’ll dial it back a bit to make it seem more fair. The amount of money that company made since that one guy took over is ridiculous. Other companies are sure to follow suit...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unearth View Post
    I sadly don’t think it’s going away anytime soon. They’ll see what they can get away with at first, and if enough backlash ensues they’ll dial it back a bit to make it seem more fair. The amount of money that company made since that one guy took over is ridiculous. Other companies are sure to follow suit...
    Have you seen recent news on it, Unearth?

    Belgium, Hawaii, Australia and France are looking into legalities of gambling mechanics in games (which they have more or less found publishers guilty of) and are starting to take steps.

    Belgium are saying they're looking to have them banned, Hawaii is pushing for it in the US too. It's about putting them in games that kids can play, so I was right months ago when I said that they will either have to drop them, or rate their games AO if they want to push them.

    A win is coming... No idea what the aftershock will be though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigmalky View Post
    Have you seen recent news on it, Unearth?

    Belgium, Hawaii, Australia and France are looking into legalities of gambling mechanics in games (which they have more or less found publishers guilty of) and are starting to take steps.

    Belgium are saying they're looking to have them banned, Hawaii is pushing for it in the US too. It's about putting them in games that kids can play, so I was right months ago when I said that they will either have to drop them, or rate their games AO if they want to push them.

    A win is coming... No idea what the aftershock will be though.
    Ah no I didn’t. I’ll have to read up on that. Thanks for pointing that out to me.

    EDIT: Well I read an article and this seems like it made a big splash in the win column for us. That’s interesting, I remember you saying that too.
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    don't know what will happen but we have EA to thank for pushing their greed too far

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    Seems like your sneaky buisness tactics are finally getting noticed 2k

    With this whole star wars loot crate situation, and governments now getting involved, its only a matter of time before your put under the scope, and its well deserved if you are, each year 2k adds more to make this game designed around spending money on it besides the original game purchase and its done in the most sneaky unfair ways. Il link this video here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=_akwfRuL4os , i think my favorite line was "a Star Wars-themed online casino designed to lure kids into spending money. It's a trap" by the state representative, i guess with your game you could replace the "Star Wars" with "NBA" in that quote.

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