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    2k are you ever going to provide a way for demo users to remove securom

    This is a serious question and I fully expect this thread to be "closed" and "merged" into oblivion just like many before it. That wont stop me from asking though.

    For those of us unfortunate enough to play the demo we apparently now have a rootkit infection on our PCs. Securom is currently impossible for us to remove fully at this stage. Do you ever plan on providing any way for the demo users to remove this software since it has no bearing on a purchased game?

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    What is it? What effect does it have?
    Thank god I'm a console gamer!

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    Securom does NOT use a rootkit.

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    Thank god I'm a console gamer, a PC gamer, and a Game Designer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ol'BlueEyes View Post
    Securom does NOT use a rootkit.
    Securom is a rootkit by definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ol'BlueEyes View Post
    Securom does NOT use a rootkit.

    Say Hello To My Little Friend...
    http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...x/securkit.jpg

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    It does no harm from what I can see yes i've been around pc's for along while and all the house pc's are pretty secure, while securom may act like a root kit in the simple way that it dares to check that your game even demo is valid it does no actual harm.

    All else is scaremongering by low lifes or under aged people who shouldn't even be playing the demo let alone game script kiddies who think they know the first thing about root kits.

    And yes certain scan software will mistakenly see it as a root kit, if its a root kit ooo it must allow them to evilly take over your pc, let me explain every exe in your win32 directory could be classed as a root kit, windows xp or vista can be classified as a root kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calranthe View Post
    It does no harm from what I can see yes i've been around pc's for along while and all the house pc's are pretty secure, while securom may act like a root kit in the simple way that it dares to check that your game even demo is valid it does no actual harm.

    All else is scaremongering by low lifes or under aged people who shouldn't even be playing the demo let alone game script kiddies who think they know the first thing about root kits.

    And yes certain scan software will mistakenly see it as a root kit, if its a root kit ooo it must allow them to evilly take over your pc, let me explain every exe in your win32 directory could be classed as a root kit, windows xp or vista can be classified as a root kit.
    I work in the PC security field so I can say you are quite full of it. You dont have the first idea as to what defines a rootkit as evidenced by your win32 directory. Any application that subverts the windows security model to obtain rights beyond the administrator and that hides itself from users is far from harmless and classifies as a rootkit.

    You may feel its harmless but it opens a hole that can be exploited by 2K or other less scrupulous people and guess what? You cant do anything about it because it subverts the entire windows security system.

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    Thumbs down Greetings from Bombay.

    Was going to create another thread for this but decided against it. Here goes...


    Dear Ken Levine and the rest of the uber cool BioShock crew,

    i am a long time PC gamer who has been waiting in anticipation for BioShock ever since it was announced. Since i reside in Bombay, India, quality PC hardware is hard to come by and is wallet rapingly expensive. However i managed to scrimp and save a few months of salaries to get a semi-decent rig up and running for this game. After all, with all the glowing previews and reviews comparing it to my two favorite titles of all time, Deus Ex and System Shock 2 definitely made it a must play.

    Now add to the fact that i usually have to wait a good month or two to get the game due to a craptacular release schedule, i decided to risk a preorder with one of the many ready and willing import stores around the city. So not only do i pay more for hardware, but end up paying two to three times more the usual price for the Collectors Edition which will NEVER release here. But hey, it's for the love of the game, right?

    Also the Xbox 360 version is as useful as dialogues in a porn movie (due to crazy red lights of death issues) and it costs an arm, a leg , kidneys and a few assorted body parts, i decided (or rather common sense did) not to get an Xbox 360. Besides Microsoft's customer support is quite pathetic here.

    As you can see acquiring the means to game in a country like India isn't as easy as it is in the US or UK. We pay 4 to 5 times more on hardware, put up with ☺☺☺☺☺☺ release schedules and have to resort to grey market imports for CEs that cost more and roam freely in your markets. But we do it anyway because well, we love games.

    Instead of pirating a game i rather give the developers their due, after all it's the least i can do for such an awesome work of art.

    But when you stuff rootkits down our throats, after all it takes to get things in place to play this masterpiece, everything seems so futile and useless. It seems that you guys have taken the PC crowd for granted.

    i agree that you need to protect your interests, but this is not the way to go about it. i'm in half a mind to cancel my preorder and take a walk down the street where i can get the game for 2$. i pay for our games, i deserve to install it without any PC crashing rootkits or limits on the number of PCs i can install it on.

    Have you no confidence in your product that you'd have to resort to such idiotic measures? After close to a month of ☺☺☺☺ teasing in the form of glowing reviews and impressions, that last thing i want is my anti-virus getting menopausal on me. Your attitude reeks of insecurity. It's bad enough to get gimped widescreen support and release one working version of the game (for the xbox 360).

    Contrary to popular belief, even though people in countries like mine love to pirate, there is a small, vocal , growing section of gamers who believe in giving the developers their due. Considering that we're at such a nascent stage and the fact that we'd know about such draconian piracy prevention techniques in an instant, leaves most of us, if not all, with more reason to pay $2 over $50.

    So please fix this pathetic excuse for copy protection immediately, lest the neighborhood pirate makes a profit over the people who deserve to. You.

    Just another gamer,

    .h3lios

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    Quote Originally Posted by Calranthe View Post
    It does no harm from what I can see yes i've been around pc's for along while and all the house pc's are pretty secure, while securom may act like a root kit in the simple way that it dares to check that your game even demo is valid it does no actual harm.

    All else is scaremongering by low lifes or under aged people who shouldn't even be playing the demo let alone game script kiddies who think they know the first thing about root kits.

    And yes certain scan software will mistakenly see it as a root kit, if its a root kit ooo it must allow them to evilly take over your pc, let me explain every exe in your win32 directory could be classed as a root kit, windows xp or vista can be classified as a root kit.
    I am neither a low life or an under aged person. However I object to having something installed without disclosure. If it had been made clear that the invasive DRM software SecuROM was going to be installed and that there was an activation limit I would not have purchased the game. I have been around computers for quite sometime myself with my first being a 486, but that has no bearing on this issue. Nondisclosure of an invasive DRM is dishonest and underhanded. 2K got caught and now they will have to deal with the fallout.

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    2K: please clarify, is this version of securom exploitable or is it just a library to read specific sectors off a cd like it should be?
    If it's exploitable, provide us with an uninstall tool as I never was in any way aware for it being installed (No admin-switch, no checkbox, no word prior to release).
    I want what I've paid for, a software which, after you exit it, doesen't stay resident.
    Advice: Say something or the public flak will increase. Enormously. (Sony CD rootkit anyone?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlienMind View Post
    2K: please clarify, is this version of securom exploitable or is it just a library to read specific sectors off a cd like it should be?
    If it's exploitable, provide us with an uninstall tool as I never was in any way aware for it being installed (No admin-switch, no checkbox, no word prior to release).
    I want what I've paid for, a software which, after you exit it, doesen't stay resident.
    Advice: Say something or the public flak will increase. Enormously. (Sony CD rootkit anyone?).
    In light of your new announcement this topic is even more relevant. Since you refuse to acknowledge that its a rootkit can we at leats get some way to uninstall this unwanted software from our demos or are you going to give us the middle finger here as well?

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    All this pressure and still they refuse to back down....look at this post from a Valve(steam) employee:
    Link is here as well if you want to look at it... http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...83#post6628983

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    Hello everyone. Thank you for your patience and I apologize if my replies caused any confusion. We have had an update from SecuROM on this issue, and the authentication system has been adjusted thanks to your feedback.
    
    You are now allowed up to *five* simultaneous installations of Bioshock while using Steam, and the ability to reinstall the game up to five times on each PC. More information can be found in the Bioshock FAQ here.
    
    We understand your apprehension towards DRM such as SecuROM. Please direct any further questions about SecuROM to 2k Games. There is now a SecuROM/DRM FAQ up over at 2K Games. Please give it a read through.
    
    Enjoy the game!
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    Securom removal instructions....dont know if they work or not its a post from the above link:

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    Since I know SecureROM is a rootkit. I used a utility from http://www.sysinternals.com/ called RootkitRevealer (Tool supported and owned by Microsoft).

    After uninstalling the demo it still find SecuROM installed as a rootkit.

    More users arguing (Check post #8):
    http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6545
    If others are as angry as I am (I have lost all interest in finishing this game) about a persistent copy protection virus being distributed through steam in a game (and I assume the demo) here is description of what you must deal with when you are through with this game and want the copy protection virus to stop running hidden from view every time you boot up. There may be other ways or software to deal with this. I'll keep looking.

    http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=545915
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    Hi all!

    After some investigation I found a way how to completly remove Securom from my PC. Here is it:
    1. stop UAService7 service (CTRL+ALT+DEL, find it and kill it)
    2. using e.g. Autoruns (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html) remove this service and delete the file \windows\system32\UAService7.exe
    3. delete the folder Documents and Settings\<your_user_name>\Application Data\SecuROM
    4. delete the folder Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\SecuROM; in case of any deletion problems use DelInvFile tool
    (http://www.purgeie.com/delinv.htm).
    5. delete securom registry keys using regedit
    6. key named HKLM\SOFTWARE\SecuROM\!CAUTION! NEVER DELETE OR CHANGE ANY KEY* contains embedded nulls and cannot be removed using regedit; use e.g. RegDelNull tool (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RegDelNull.html) instead of it.

    That's all. Now you can just ask why your game distributor uses techniques common for viruses and trojan horses. I state that starting from today I will never purchase anything from Sony because of their stupid rootkit practices and will hesitate to buy any legal game in the future, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BES View Post
    All this pressure and still they refuse to back down....look at this post from a Valve(steam) employee:
    Link is here as well if you want to look at it... http://forums.steampowered.com/forum...83#post6628983

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    Hello everyone. Thank you for your patience and I apologize if my replies caused any confusion. We have had an update from SecuROM on this issue, and the authentication system has been adjusted thanks to your feedback.
    
    You are now allowed up to *five* simultaneous installations of Bioshock while using Steam, and the ability to reinstall the game up to five times on each PC. More information can be found in the Bioshock FAQ here.
    
    We understand your apprehension towards DRM such as SecuROM. Please direct any further questions about SecuROM to 2k Games. There is now a SecuROM/DRM FAQ up over at 2K Games. Please give it a read through.
    
    Enjoy the game!
    Last edited by GregW : Today at 06:31 PM.
    Securom removal instructions....dont know if they work or not its a post from the above link:

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Moloko View Post
    Since I know SecureROM is a rootkit. I used a utility from http://www.sysinternals.com/ called RootkitRevealer (Tool supported and owned by Microsoft).

    After uninstalling the demo it still find SecuROM installed as a rootkit.

    More users arguing (Check post #8):
    http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6545
    If others are as angry as I am (I have lost all interest in finishing this game) about a persistent copy protection virus being distributed through steam in a game (and I assume the demo) here is description of what you must deal with when you are through with this game and want the copy protection virus to stop running hidden from view every time you boot up. There may be other ways or software to deal with this. I'll keep looking.

    http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=545915
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    Hi all!

    After some investigation I found a way how to completly remove Securom from my PC. Here is it:
    1. stop UAService7 service (CTRL+ALT+DEL, find it and kill it)
    2. using e.g. Autoruns (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Autoruns.html) remove this service and delete the file \windows\system32\UAService7.exe
    3. delete the folder Documents and Settings\<your_user_name>\Application Data\SecuROM
    4. delete the folder Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\SecuROM; in case of any deletion problems use DelInvFile tool
    (http://www.purgeie.com/delinv.htm).
    5. delete securom registry keys using regedit
    6. key named HKLM\SOFTWARE\SecuROM\!CAUTION! NEVER DELETE OR CHANGE ANY KEY* contains embedded nulls and cannot be removed using regedit; use e.g. RegDelNull tool (http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/RegDelNull.html) instead of it.

    That's all. Now you can just ask why your game distributor uses techniques common for viruses and trojan horses. I state that starting from today I will never purchase anything from Sony because of their stupid rootkit practices and will hesitate to buy any legal game in the future, too.
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    These instructions do not fully remove it. I want a FULL uninstaller and 2K pretends like there is no need for it.

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    there is no securom on the demo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    its definately in the steam version.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    Not true. I downloaded the Steam version and found the SecurROM folder under my user apps. If SecuROM wasn't present then why is there a SecuRom folder? And before you blame another app, this folder didn't exist until I installed the demo. I have to say this is a pretty ridiculous DRM scheme you've forced onto us. I certainly hope 2K are reconsidering this.

    Now I have a question: Will the revocation tool completely remove all SecuROM's registry entries? When I uninstall the game I don't want any residual on my HD. Thanks for any info.

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    What everyone needs to do first, is relax . Next, get yourself a nice fat external HDD. Transfer all files and settings, and erase your entire HDD, and reinstall windows (you DO have a genuine copy, right? ). Personally, I've had many problems with my PC in the past, partially because I surf too much porn, and partially because I have ☺☺☺☺ luck. As of this moment, there isn't a SINGLE SOLITARY file on my comps HDD other than programs. Every single thing I DL and/or save goes to my two external HDDs. Sure it's a pain in the ass, and time consuming to have to reinstall the operating system, all your programs, and redo your desktop/settings, but I've had to do it twice in the past few months, and each time it only takes 2-4 hours TOTAL (including windows install) and any time I want, any time I feel like my comps not running the way I want it to, I start from scratch, never having to worry about loosing anything important (I even export my bookmarks and save games).

  19. Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    How about you take it out of the full game as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .h3lios View Post
    Was going to create another thread for this but decided against it. Here goes...


    Dear Ken Levine and the rest of the uber cool BioShock crew,

    i am a long time PC gamer who has been waiting in anticipation for BioShock ever since it was announced. Since i reside in Bombay, India, quality PC hardware is hard to come by and is wallet rapingly expensive. However i managed to scrimp and save a few months of salaries to get a semi-decent rig up and running for this game. After all, with all the glowing previews and reviews comparing it to my two favorite titles of all time, Deus Ex and System Shock 2 definitely made it a must play.

    Now add to the fact that i usually have to wait a good month or two to get the game due to a craptacular release schedule, i decided to risk a preorder with one of the many ready and willing import stores around the city. So not only do i pay more for hardware, but end up paying two to three times more the usual price for the Collectors Edition which will NEVER release here. But hey, it's for the love of the game, right?

    Also the Xbox 360 version is as useful as dialogues in a porn movie (due to crazy red lights of death issues) and it costs an arm, a leg , kidneys and a few assorted body parts, i decided (or rather common sense did) not to get an Xbox 360. Besides Microsoft's customer support is quite pathetic here.

    As you can see acquiring the means to game in a country like India isn't as easy as it is in the US or UK. We pay 4 to 5 times more on hardware, put up with ☺☺☺☺☺☺ release schedules and have to resort to grey market imports for CEs that cost more and roam freely in your markets. But we do it anyway because well, we love games.

    Instead of pirating a game i rather give the developers their due, after all it's the least i can do for such an awesome work of art.

    But when you stuff rootkits down our throats, after all it takes to get things in place to play this masterpiece, everything seems so futile and useless. It seems that you guys have taken the PC crowd for granted.

    i agree that you need to protect your interests, but this is not the way to go about it. i'm in half a mind to cancel my preorder and take a walk down the street where i can get the game for 2$. i pay for our games, i deserve to install it without any PC crashing rootkits or limits on the number of PCs i can install it on.

    Have you no confidence in your product that you'd have to resort to such idiotic measures? After close to a month of ☺☺☺☺ teasing in the form of glowing reviews and impressions, that last thing i want is my anti-virus getting menopausal on me. Your attitude reeks of insecurity. It's bad enough to get gimped widescreen support and release one working version of the game (for the xbox 360).

    Contrary to popular belief, even though people in countries like mine love to pirate, there is a small, vocal , growing section of gamers who believe in giving the developers their due. Considering that we're at such a nascent stage and the fact that we'd know about such draconian piracy prevention techniques in an instant, leaves most of us, if not all, with more reason to pay $2 over $50.

    So please fix this pathetic excuse for copy protection immediately, lest the neighborhood pirate makes a profit over the people who deserve to. You.

    Just another gamer,

    .h3lios
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    Nondisclosure of an invasive DRM is dishonest and underhanded. 2K got caught and now they will have to deal with the fallout.
    Just try not to confuse 2K with Irrational/Ken...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    Ok, fine. I will believe that despite what I see both here and on the valve forums. Can the actual users who installed the game have a full installation utility to clean their PCs after they are done playing this game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    Liz I'm sorry to say this, but over the past few days you have proven to all of us that you just don't know whats going on. The fact that the timestamp on that picture 2 hours before I even picked up the game is proof enough that the demo did contain securom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    So what is the name of the crapware bundled with the demo that prevented me to run the game if Process Explorer had been loaded since last reboot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by toto952 View Post
    So what is the name of the crapware bundled with the demo that prevented me to run the game if Process Explorer had been loaded since last reboot?
    Give up on it dude. Elizabeth is in her own world where rootkits arent rootkits and the demo doesnt install securom. She is nothing more than a mouthpiece for the people at 2K being manipulated to their ends. Truth be damned.

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    Demo definately uses securom in some form, I've had it refuse to run with a securom error when I had something loaded in memory it didn't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon View Post
    Demo definately uses securom in some form, I've had it refuse to run with a securom error when I had something loaded in memory it didn't like.
    Yep. A friend of mine couldn't run the demo cause he has Process Explorer. SecuROM is the only program I know of with an unreasonable hatred of Process Explorer.

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    @2k Elizabeth: Thanks for clearing that issue in the FAQ. Let's hope the nerd-rage dies down quickly.

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    sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
    <nerd rage>
    WHAT IS GOING ON????
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    http://www.trickingq3.com/misc/photo...mo-securom.jpg

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    Whether it turns out it was a storm in a tea cup or a real security threat is not the issue.

    It needs sorting out.

    Here's a though, you know everytime we post on here the moderators (2k) can SEE our IP address in their admin panel?

    YOu know they have installed something that opens up a port on your PC without you knowing or being able to detect it with typical security (this is from what I read as I admit i'm no expert).

    So what if they mix those two and decide to do a little 'back door' snooping using your IP, their open port and hidden posibilities that only they know about.

    I'm not saying this CAN happen or would happen but until we know it CAN'T happen (and not from some anonymous posters on a forum) then it remains a problem.

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    Oh and of course that appears to apply to demo users to so not just 'valid customers' but people who previously played the demo and removed it. They possibly still have access, if you piss them off enough with rants what could they do (if anything?)

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    As far as I can tell there is NO way currently to remove it from a Vista 32 or 64bit OS...im told securom will make a removal tool..

    The WindowsXP way seems to work though that are many posts on here on how to remove it..takes abit of work, but now I will play the game,then remove it completely from my system using tools in the mentioned posts on the forum on how to remove it....ill post a few links though:

    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?threadid=203200

    Newer link, third post from bottom, has a few more new tools:
    http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=169832

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    What I want to know is why my Steam copy of the game (and demo) have SecuROM at all! Steam is itself a copyprotection scheme. Why does 2K feel the need to have another ADDITIONAL layer of DRM on TOP of Steam?

    Is Steam not good enough for 2K? It's good enough for Valve and HL2...

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    so excuse me maybe i'm just dumb and didn't read the demo-eula or something, but IS THERE SECUROM ON THE DEMO OR NOT?? as far as I deduct there is one on the steam-demo and none on the downloadable 1.8GB one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    Lies. What do you call this?

    http://www.nyn.dds.nl/tmp/bio.JPG

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    Guys, I, like many other users, have been looking forward to this game. However, this is totally unacceptable.

    The 2K SecuROM FAQ has at least a couple of inconsistencies that I see:

    SecuROM DOES NOT USE any root kit technology in its implementation.

    Yes, it does. Your statement that it doesn't in spite of the fact that it does makes you look very bad. As as been pointed out several times, it installs registry keys that cannot be deleted via normal means, and it is software that subverts the administrative privileges of a user's machine. Is 2K using it for evil? Maybe not, but that won't stop other more nefarious people from doing so. When Sony's rootkit hit the wild, they insisted that they weren't using it for evil either, but it didn't stop hackers from quickly taking advantage of the rootkit on people's machines to use it as an avenue of attack.

    In other words, even if SecuROM and 2K has the best of intentions, that's not good enough. Good intentions are what the road to hell is paved with, after all.

    Secondly, the FAQ says:

    SecuROM does not fingerprint the hardware.

    It then goes on to say:

    The only data collected is the serial being used for activation, the IP address used for activation, an identifier for the software being activated, and the hash of the machine ID...

    You won't have to reactivate unless you change several pieces of hardware and this will count as one of your 5 allowed computers, if reactivation is required.

    I have two pretty simple questions. How exactly is the "machine ID" derived that a hash of which is sent? How is it that a machine whose hardware isn't fingerprinted would have to reactivate when several pieces of hardware are changed?

    Let's not kid ourselves. The hardware is, in fact, fingerprinted, and the first statement in the FAQ that says it's not is an outright lie, just like the statement that SecuROM isn't a rootkit is. The statements are a PR effort intended for the sole purposes of misleading users who aren't computer savvy enough to actually dig in and check their veracity to accept them at face value, setting their mind at ease, and getting them to install dangerous software that opens up significant security holes on their system.

    Last (that I know of), but not least, 2K Elizabeth comes here and posts a message saying, "there is no securom on the demo," when it has been shown with glaring obviousness that there is, in fact, SecuROM on the demo. Maybe she was simply mistaken, but taken in whole with the other attempts to cover up what is going on and mislead your users, I'm not much inclined to give her the benefit of a doubt now.

    This is totally unacceptable. I downloaded but have not played the demo yet on my Xbox 360. I will be deleting it. I was in the process of downloading the PC demo to try out this weekend, and I have canceled it and won't be buying the game. I'm also going to do all that I can to alert my friends who are gamers of the dangerous software that is being included in 2K's game.

    As far as I'm concerned, you have lost all credibility as a company over this. Congratulations, you might well have indeed stopped a few software pirates from playing the game. In the end, though, you've impacted your revenue and profits far more than any software pirates might have, I hope you're happy.

    You've already lost me as a customer, and your unethical actions have already started a PR nightmare with a post on Slashdot appropriately titled BioShock Installs a Rootkit (where I happened to hear about this, thank goodness). At this point, you basically have two options to try to recover. One is to immediately drop SecuROM from the game, apologize profusely to those who might still be interested in buying the game, and distribute a removal tool for getting rid of the SecuROM rootkit. The other is to continue to deny, obfuscate, and lie about what you've done in the vain attempt to try to wade out of the mud by digging deeper into it, which will cause a huge outcry against your company and this game and kill your sales. Given your actions to date, I'm pretty sure which method you'll try, which is why I say you've already lost me as a customer. Hopefully more sane minds at your company will prevail.

  38. #38
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    Yeah, wow. Why is elizabeth and 2k lying for, then?

  39. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by 2K Elizabeth View Post
    there is no securom on the demo.
    Wow, even employee's lie about a serious situation of ignoring the laws of sale & privacy.
    Can't believe a company like this is doing these things against honest paying consumers.

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    what to do...

    The guys responsible for this copy-protection crap only care about the sales and marketing. You can not argue with them on a technical level.

    If you like the game, buy it.

    Then wait for cracks and modified images to appear in the net and play it.

    No need to worry about the useless securerom rootkit-du-joure. And rejoice, you also don't have to put in the original DVD every time you want to play the game..

    With companies telling me what to install and how to use the stuff I bought from them, I have absolutely no problem with that.

    You can protest all you want, the government is buyed by the content mafia and will only reduce your rights if you ask them.
    But in this age, code is law.


    PS: I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy the game. Maybe if there are some nice bundles or so. But as a SS2-gamer, I'm sure going to play it.

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