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Thread: Bioshock installs does not installs a rootkit type that runs in RING0 <TrojanKIT>

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    Thumbs down Bioshock installs does not installs a rootkit type that runs in RING0 <TrojanKIT>

    First I will introduce myself, I´m Sblade the Securom Crusader. I´m well experienced on Securom. I´m also a member of the R-force, the guys that caused Ubisoft to give up Starforce on his games.

    You can look for my Securom Technical FAQ on the Atari forums or the NWN 2 official forums.

    Anyway

    To the guy who started this thread:

    http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8629

    Securom runs in RING0 as there is no other way to detect Daemon Tools and Alcohol stealth emulated drives than RING0.

    Securom is a Starforce clone. Runs in RING0.

    Securom is a TrojanKIT. The only difference between a rootkit and a TrojanKit. You do not need specialist tools to find a TrojanKIT however they are just as stubborn to get rid of and also compromise system security.

    Definition of a TrojanKIT:

    TrojanKit:

    1. Security Applications installed without end user consent.
    2. Software that grants Ring 0 access to Ring 3 (user level) applications.
    3. Interferes with other software such as virtual drives, SCSI/SATA etc.
    4. Puts its own virtual protection drivers on the system.
    5. Interferes with other applications Windows registry settings.
    6. Can be exploited with replacement malicious versions to grant Full Ring 0 access



    I copy paste the virtual protection drivers proof from youw own forums:

    DevStudio ASM

    #ESC00000004: Sony MAPI Layer 2.4.17.1 *rooted to WinAPI (explorer.exe)
    #ESC00000121: SSECROM DLApi v8.2.2 *rooted to WinAPI (explorer.exe)
    #ESC000002C1: SSECDLL Miniport services *rooted to core (kernel Win32 layer)



    Securom is also a clone of Starforce in the spin/phase rate transfer access. That´s mean when when Securom receives data not within the tolerance it expected it tries again and again.

    SCSI/IDE/SATA protocols determines this to be a read problem and it changes to PIO 16 bit mode, decreasing dramatically the lifespawn of DVD drives.

    I´m ready for any challenge. I fight for what´s right.

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    Thumbs up

    About time somebody spoken.

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    Welcome sblade Thanks for the post.

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    Oooh oh hohoho ooooh that's gotta hurt.

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    I got to ask.. do you know of a way to remove seruCOM? I got it from the PC demo of Bioshock ( Yes I know for sure, I had scanned and it was not on my PC till after the demo was on my comp, I downloaded it from file planet )

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    A great man by the name of Benjamin Franklin once said, "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thordon View Post
    A great man by the name of Benjamin Franklin once said, "The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."
    You mean......

    "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security".

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-O-S View Post
    You mean......

    "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security".
    You mean.... "This quote has been butchered so much through the years nobody knows what the ☺☺☺☺ it said originally."

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    Quote Originally Posted by M-O-S View Post
    You mean......

    "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security".
    essentially the same thing methinks, even if worded slightly different.

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    Thank you for the philosophies, but is there anyone who can challenge what I´m saying?

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    No because we all agree with you that securom is the root of all evil.

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    Just a suggestion here. I think you need to explain what is "Ring 0" and other technical terms as most people here won't have any idea what they are.

    Either explain them, or just use simplier terms which everyone can understand. Not many people have done computer science in the university.

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    ^^ add to that DRM as well.

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    I have to say, after reading all that . . . the evidence against SecuROM seems to be quite damning. It may not technically fit the definition of "rootkit", but it's still an invasive and vile piece of DRM software that needs to be ELIMINATED from Bioshock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apqoo View Post
    Just a suggestion here. I think you need to explain what is "Ring 0" and other technical terms as most people here won't have any idea what they are.

    Either explain them, or just use simplier terms which everyone can understand. Not many people have done computer science in the university.
    They're the like the opposite of Dante's Inferno - Instead of Ring 9 being where Satan chews on Brutus, Judas, and Ted Kaczinsky, it's Ring 0. Except Satan is giving it to you in *YOUR* "ring 0".

    More specifically, you know how there's that "hidden system files" option? Have you ever tried to look inside certain folders ("System Volume Information", for example) even as administrator just to be told 'Access is denied'? These files operate on a lower 'ring', thereby superseding admin access.

    Windows operates on Rings, each specifying a level of access. User-level is Ring 3. I'm unsure how administrator accounts work, they may be Ring 3 as well. It's easier to think of levels of access. Above Ring 3 and you're operating on a restricted diet. You can't do certain things, see certain things, etc. As you get closer to Ring 0 you can do more and more.

    Ring 0 is the eye of the storm. You can see and do everything from Ring 0. Everything is a-go from there. No joke, there is absolutely nothing you can't see, do, break into, modify, or override from Ring 0.

    Ring 0 is where critical process and hardware/firmware typically runs. The code that tells your sound card how to behave? Ring 0. The code that makes your DVD drive run at all? Ring 0.

    It's important to remember that rings only work upwards. Ring 1 cannot modify Ring 0, for example, but Ring 0 can modify Ring 1.

    Bioshock runs on Ring 3, as it's a user-level application.

    Securom has processes that run on Ring 0 so it's can spy on you, to make sure you don't have stuff Securom doesn't like hiding below Ring 3 (Daemon Tools, for example).

    In order for a Ring 3 process to work with a Ring 0 process, it has a little leash, so both can talk to each other. Bioshock tells Securom when to do its malware thing, and Securom tells Bioshock not to run for no ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ reason at all.

    That's the vulnerability, that leash. You get a piece of code that targets Bioshock's leash, it travels down the leash and compromises Ring 0. Next thing you know, your entire system is absolutely ☺☺☺☺☺☺, to the point where it can even compromise firmware itself. It's theoretically possible that with an extremely nasty Ring 0 infection, certain hardware (ie: a sound card) could have the firmware modified in a way where the card will no longer function.



    Sounds like an acceptable risk to stop the pirates from cracking the game for a whole of 1 day, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    is there anyone who can challenge what I´m saying?
    its not a contest. you're making a reasonable argument without insults and you're the first person to do that so far. thank you. so, let me calmly ask you a few questions.

    with all the titles that use Securom (ie NWN2) im sure there were literally millions of installations of this horrible malicious software on individuals PCs BEFORE bioshock was ever released. in that case, why are people specifically targeting their anger to bioshock as opposed to those other games? is there something that is different with the implementation?

    with those millions of installations of this software, has there ever been a negative incident related to the use of Securom. evidence? case studies? im not saying you're right or wrong, i just honestly would like to understand what the f*ck is going on.

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    and as a somewhat humorous side note the SeruROM slogan is:

    "get maximum control"

    thats a bit scary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uranium - 235 View Post
    They're the like the opposite of Dante's Inferno - Instead of Ring 9 being where Satan chews on Brutus, Judas, and Ted Kaczinsky, it's Ring 0. Except Satan is giving it to you in *YOUR* "ring 0".

    More specifically, you know how there's that "hidden system files" option? Have you ever tried to look inside certain folders ("System Volume Information", for example) even as administrator just to be told 'Access is denied'? These files operate on a lower 'ring', thereby superseding admin access.

    Windows operates on Rings, each specifying a level of access. User-level is Ring 3. I'm unsure how administrator accounts work, they may be Ring 3 as well. It's easier to think of levels of access. Above Ring 3 and you're operating on a restricted diet. You can't do certain things, see certain things, etc. As you get closer to Ring 0 you can do more and more.

    Ring 0 is the eye of the storm. You can see and do everything from Ring 0. Everything is a-go from there. No joke, there is absolutely nothing you can't see, do, break into, modify, or override from Ring 0.

    Ring 0 is where critical process and hardware/firmware typically runs. The code that tells your sound card how to behave? Ring 0. The code that makes your DVD drive run at all? Ring 0.

    It's important to remember that rings only work upwards. Ring 1 cannot modify Ring 0, for example, but Ring 0 can modify Ring 1.

    Bioshock runs on Ring 3, as it's a user-level application.

    Securom has processes that run on Ring 0 so it's can spy on you, to make sure you don't have stuff Securom doesn't like hiding below Ring 3 (Daemon Tools, for example).

    In order for a Ring 3 process to work with a Ring 0 process, it has a little leash, so both can talk to each other. Bioshock tells Securom when to do its malware thing, and Securom tells Bioshock not to run for no ☺☺☺☺☺☺☺ reason at all.

    That's the vulnerability, that leash. You get a piece of code that targets Bioshock's leash, it travels down the leash and compromises Ring 0. Next thing you know, your entire system is absolutely ☺☺☺☺☺☺, to the point where it can even compromise firmware itself. It's theoretically possible that with an extremely nasty Ring 0 infection, certain hardware (ie: a sound card) could have the firmware modified in a way where the card will no longer function.



    Sounds like an acceptable risk to stop the pirates from cracking the game for a whole of 1 day, right?
    Are you an instructor or teacher of some kind? That delivery was perfect.

    The well placed expletives, although maybe not acceptable on the forum, added character to it as well.

    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bubblez View Post
    with all the titles that use Securom (ie NWN2) im sure there were literally millions of installations of this horrible malicious software on individuals PCs BEFORE bioshock was ever released. in that case, why are people specifically targeting their anger to bioshock as opposed to those other games? is there something that is different with the implementation?
    The activation process is new (or at least, I've not had it on any other securom game like those mentioned in the op) & what's brought a lot of the attention.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bubblez View Post
    its not a contest. you're making a reasonable argument without insults and you're the first person to do that so far. thank you. so, let me calmly ask you a few questions.

    with all the titles that use Securom (ie NWN2) im sure there were literally millions of installations of this horrible malicious software on individuals PCs BEFORE bioshock was ever released. in that case, why are people specifically targeting their anger to bioshock as opposed to those other games? is there something that is different with the implementation?

    with those millions of installations of this software, has there ever been a negative incident related to the use of Securom. evidence? case studies? im not saying you're right or wrong, i just honestly would like to understand what the f*ck is going on.
    Hey now, I have not been flaming anyone about it 0o :P

    sblade will surely answer, but I thinnk I can partially answer that. 1 reason, I do not think NWN2 and others before contained the DRM option of SecuROM I believe that part is new to SecuROM System. This in itself has raised a lot of flags.

    Do you know the history of DRM use by Sony? If not read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_So...ection_scandal

    Also, seems basically from sblades post SecuROM 7 acts similar to how StarForce ran, also seems coincidental that DRM that is included in SecuROM 7 on Bioshock is from Sony DADC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bubblez View Post
    its not a contest. you're making a reasonable argument without insults and you're the first person to do that so far. thank you. so, let me calmly ask you a few questions.

    with all the titles that use Securom (ie NWN2) im sure there were literally millions of installations of this horrible malicious software on individuals PCs BEFORE bioshock was ever released. in that case, why are people specifically targeting their anger to bioshock as opposed to those other games? is there something that is different with the implementation?

    with those millions of installations of this software, has there ever been a negative incident related to the use of Securom. evidence? case studies? im not saying you're right or wrong, i just honestly would like to understand what the f*ck is going on.


    First I have to say is that Securom discussion is forbidden in official NWN 2 boards, so lot of complaints are just censored.

    Second, people tend to think, when they cannot launch the game, that is related to CPU configuration, as we know. We had had a problem with an application sometimes.

    Because of this hidden existence, people just don´t realize that Securom is causing all his other applications: Firewall, Antivirus, Process Explorer, to go to Hell.

    HOW MUCH PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF SECUROM WHEN THEY INSTALLED BIOSHOCK WITHOUT GOING TO THE WWW?

    I´ve reported various detailed cases to 2kElizabeth.

    In my research for now I have this:

    2 cases of Bios Funtion Calls, BIOS Resets. (mess with Asus motherboards, I´m trying to get in touch with ASUS support)

    3 Cases of DVD drive f***d up

    An endless list of software conflicts.

    Also be aware that I started requesting cases and reports last week, and I have 5 harmful reports.

    As soon as people realized, I will have more reports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaoTiK View Post
    Are you an instructor or teacher of some kind? That delivery was perfect.

    The well placed expletives, although maybe not acceptable on the forum, added character to it as well.

    Thank you!
    No, I've just been trolling a lot of forums for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uranium - 235 View Post
    No, I've just been trolling a lot of forums for a long time
    Well, I commend you for being so informative while still seeming human, lol.

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    Sblade,
    Although I don't approve of the mass hysteria on the forum (wherein 99% of the mob did't know anything except someobody yelled, "FIRE!"), it is nice to see someone trying to post some facts. The other thread to you linked to was one of the few techical ones--every one of which said SecuROM wasn't a rootkit/harmful/etc.

    I looked at some of your other posts on other forums, and I see they go back a year or more.

    So here is my question. Do you consider SecuROM a security risk? It looks like it's been around for a long time, and is installed on many, many machines. Since it is high profile and hackers are "clearly unstoppable" (according to the mob on here), why hasn't it been hacked to take control of peoples' systems?

    If we get rid of the folks who can't do more than say "is not" or "are too" and let the technical people talk it out, maybe we can all learn something.

    For the record, I've had no issues with the PC version.

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    Email SecuROM support asking them how to remove the registry key and securom application after uninstalling Bioshock Demo just to see if they would send a link to an inhouse or something similar. Well, I was not even expecting a reply really, but I got one. This was their reply. They did not even acknowledge the registry key I had asked about with the nul values.
    Dear Customer,

    Thank you for your email.

    Please be informed that these files in your UserData folder are used to store licence information for SecuROM protected applications. They were created at the first execution of the protected program. Any manipulation in this folder may cause the SecuROM application to work different than expected. These files are not executables themselves and therefore can't affect your system in any way. Nevertheless if you want to delete the folder please follow the instructions below:

    1) Open the command line by pressing "Start" and selecting the "Run..." option.

    2) Type "cmd" (without "s) and push the [Enter] button on the keyboard.

    3) Please type in the following command:
    rd /s "%APPDATA%\SecuROM"
    and press [Enter] on the keyboard.

    4) Answer Y to the Y/N question and press [Enter] to complete the process.

    The folder should now be deleted. Please understand that any SecuROM application that uses UserData will rebuild these files and folder with future launches.

    Best regards,

    SecuROM Support Team
    SecuROM on the web: http://www.securom.com
    or via e-mail: support@securom.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    Thank you for the philosophies, but is there anyone who can challenge what I´m saying?
    I'm wondering where Kyorisu is ... he's been everywhere else arguing with peeps who have a problem with all this, I note he's staying away from this one. I guess he's too lame (or smart) to challenge someone who clearly knows what he's talking about!

    Good job!

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    Interesting reply from SecuROM, their reply to me was slightly different:

    Attached please find a tool which is removing SecuROM. Please follow the instructions below:

    - The easiest way is to copy the SecuROM_Uninstaller.exe file
    into your C\: directory.

    - Open the Windows command box by pressing <Start>
    and selecting the <Run...> option. Now type "cmd" (without "s)
    and press <Enter> on the keyboard.

    - Type: "cd\" (without "s) and press <Enter> on the keyboard.

    - Please type now: SecuROM_Uninstaller.exe /uninstall

    - A dialog box will appear. To start the SecuROM uninstallation, press
    the <OK> button
    Attached was a 3mb zip file containing a SecuROM uninstaller (which I'll play with a little later)..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    First I have to say is that Securom discussion is forbidden in official NWN 2 boards, so lot of complaints are just censored.

    Second, people tend to think, when they cannot launch the game, that is related to CPU configuration, as we know. We had had a problem with an application sometimes.

    Because of this hidden existence, people just don´t realize that Securom is causing all his other applications: Firewall, Antivirus, Process Explorer, to go to Hell.

    HOW MUCH PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF SECUROM WHEN THEY INSTALLED BIOSHOCK WITHOUT GOING TO THE WWW?

    I´ve reported various detailed cases to 2kElizabeth.

    In my research for now I have this:

    2 cases of Bios Funtion Calls, BIOS Resets. (mess with Asus motherboards, I´m trying to get in touch with ASUS support)

    3 Cases of DVD drive f***d up

    An endless list of software conflicts.

    Also be aware that I started requesting cases and reports last week, and I have 5 harmful reports.

    As soon as people realized, I will have more reports.
    ok great. as you gather more evidence please share it with us.

    let me briefly if i may talk about the concept of causation. so lets say i install software X and 48 hours later my DVD drive dies. i could look at that incident in two ways:

    1) the installation of software X caused my DVD drive to die

    or

    2) the installation of software X was associated with my DVD drive dieing.

    Lets say 1,000,000 people install software X and out of those people .01% report an incident. Do you see how it could be fair to say that software X is only associated with those incidents as opposed to actually causing them?

    Again, Im not saying you're wrong, I just dont see enough evidence to sh*t my pants over this SecuROM stuff. Many of the reactions Ive seen so far have been very emotional and totally devoid of common sense or reason. Personally, I have both NWN2 and BioShock on my PC an I have no major problems with either of them, or any major system problems. I have an ASUS P5B and everything is working fine. Maybe I just got lucky, who knows.

    Another interesting tidbit from the official SecuROM website: Since 1997 SecuROM has been used on over 200 million disks . I had no clue its been used that much.

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    I've been getting blue screens of death everytime I shut down my PC. This started to happen at around the time I got the demo. Do you guys think there might be any connection ?
    I don't want to accuse securom of this, I just want an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pikey Joe View Post
    Interesting reply from SecuROM, their reply to me was slightly different:



    Attached was a 3mb zip file containing a SecuROM uninstaller (which I'll play with a little later)..
    hmm, who did you get for support (should show in the email source) I had gotten my reply from Paul Lettmayer. Here are screens of mine, I did not get any tool however. May email them again. I emailed them originally yday, but I just recieved the reply today. (when I posted above after chcking my email) blacked out my personal information of course

    Click for full view...
    http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/upl...e130723dad.jpg
    Last edited by Tech Richard; 08-29-2007 at 08:25 AM. Reason: Image removed

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    I replied to that enail and within minutes got this
    Hello.

    Thank you for your email.

    The registry entry is needed to save the digital rights information. If a demo software is protected by SecuROM and it should only
    work for example only 30 days, the necessary license is stored in the registry.
    So please understand that it is not possible to delete such a entry.

    Thank you for your understanding,

    If you have any questions, please feel free to ask.


    Best regards,

    SecuROM Support Team
    SecuROM on the web: http://www.securom.com
    or via e-mail: support@securom.com

    *** Please include the subject line exactly as written above including your ticket number in all communications to ensure proper handling ***
    Load of crock. If they install it, they should be able to remove it, if not then they should not be installing it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dllfile View Post
    hmm, who did you get for support (should show in the email source) I had gotten my reply from Securom.
    My reply was from Securom.
    Last edited by Tech Richard; 08-29-2007 at 08:53 AM.

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    Those crazy Germans are at it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Bubblez View Post

    Another interesting tidbit from the official SecuROM website: Since 1997 SecuROM has been used on over 200 million disks . I had no clue its been used that much.
    Great, you still haven´t learned that Securom V6 and V7 are not similar in any way?

    The bad Securom is the latest, don´t tell me from 1998 because it is just not valid.

    Ask Securom their V7 sales.

    If you have an Asus Motherboard, enable the automatic AI overclocking and get ready to go to hell. Please share full system specs after that

    I have to go to work.
    See ya

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    If you have an Asus Motherboard, enable the automatic AI overclocking and get ready to go to hell. Please share full system specs after that
    sure ill try it. i can give you whatever proof/info you ask for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I have to go to work.
    See ya
    Spraypainting 'SPY' on dogs and their owners is not exactly work, I thought you knew that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    First I will introduce myself, I´m Sblade the Securom Crusader.
    Hey, I'm rasmusrc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I´m well experienced on Securom.
    I'll have to take your word on that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I´m also a member of the R-force, the guys that caused Ubisoft to give up Starforce on his games.
    Makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    You can look for my Securom Technical FAQ on the Atari forums or the NWN 2 official forums.
    I'd read it, honestly, but the fact that you mention SecuROM 6 in your first paragraph, clearly shows just how much you know. There never was a version 6 of SecuROM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    Securom runs in RING0 as there is no other way to detect Daemon Tools and Alcohol stealth emulated drives than RING0.
    SecuROM does not run in ring-0. That would require that it installed a driver, which it doesn't. What it does is run as administrator, either through the game (if you're logged in as administrator) or through the User Access Service.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    Securom is a Starforce clone. Runs in RING0.
    I realize that equating the wrong doings of StarForce with SecuROM is what you're all about, but that's just plain nonsense. IT DOES'T RUN AT RING-0!

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    Securom is a TrojanKIT. The only difference between a rootkit and a TrojanKit. You do not need specialist tools to find a TrojanKIT however they are just as stubborn to get rid of and also compromise system security.
    Great job on thinking up that word. You should trademark it, I'm sure you'll have plenty of uses for it in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    1. Security Applications installed without end user consent.
    You've just covered every single copy-protection to ever be put in use.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    2. Software that grants Ring 0 access to Ring 3 (user level) applications.
    SecuROM doesn't install any drivers and doesn't run at ring-0. You can keep reiterating this point as much as you like, it still doesn't make any more true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    3. Interferes with other software such as virtual drives, SCSI/SATA etc.
    Ohh my, it doesn't allow you use your warez clones. What a nasty piece of malware indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    4. Puts its own virtual protection drivers on the system.
    Just a variation of 2.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    5. Interferes with other applications Windows registry settings.
    Heh, why would SecuROM or any other copy-protection interfere with any other application's registry settings. Can you document such a case?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    6. Can be exploited with replacement malicious versions to grant Full Ring 0 access
    That's assuming that SecuROM is exploitable. Again, do you have any hard evidence to suggest that's the cae?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I copy paste the virtual protection drivers proof from youw own forums:

    DevStudio ASM

    #ESC00000004: Sony MAPI Layer 2.4.17.1 *rooted to WinAPI (explorer.exe)
    #ESC00000121: SSECROM DLApi v8.2.2 *rooted to WinAPI (explorer.exe)
    #ESC000002C1: SSECDLL Miniport services *rooted to core (kernel Win32 layer)
    Heh, googling those names turns up nothing. Whoever you copied those from is blowing up smoke in everyones asses. I especially love the "rooted" comments, what the hell is that supposed to mean? A driver is either installed or running or not. And explorer.exe most definitely has nothing what so ever to do with any drivers on any system.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    Securom is also a clone of Starforce in the spin/phase rate transfer access.
    Ohh, I thought it was a full clone, as you suggested above?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    That´s mean when when Securom receives data not within the tolerance it expected it tries again and again.
    The alternative would be to give up, blocking the user out of his game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    SCSI/IDE/SATA protocols determines this to be a read problem and it changes to PIO 16 bit mode, decreasing dramatically the lifespawn of DVD drives.
    I've had SecuROM on my system on and off for 2 years, and my DVD drive has never been put into PIO 16-bit mode. Ohh and the drive is still alive and kicking.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I´m ready for any challenge.
    Likewise. However, next time around, do provide some real evidence and not made up fairytales.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sblade View Post
    I fight for what´s right.
    No, you fight for what you think is right. You might think casual copying is OK, in which case you'd be fighting to have SecuROM crippled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rasmusrc View Post
    *snip*

    I realize that equating the wrong doings of StarForce with SecuROM is what you're all about

    *snip*

    Ohh my, it doesn't allow you use your warez clones. What a nasty piece of malware indeed.

    *snip*

    Likewise. However, next time around, do provide some real evidence and not made up fairytales.

    *snip*

    You might think casual copying is OK

    *snip*
    It looks from here what you are doing is trying to get people to equate the OP with wanting to get rid of securom to "pirate" games. I don't know which of you is right on the technical side of things, but if you keep up with the attacks then the only people you convince are those already on your "side". Most people are less likely to believe anyone who's quick to try and turn things into a shouting match.

    If you want to convince other people you're right, why not stop with the attacks? You know, just like all the people being accused of working for securom/2k were tired of all those comments... shame ☺☺☺☺, but it must be OK though because you're in the right

    Yeah, yeah, I'm flame-bait now, should keep my nose out and all that, but come on... it's becoming so bloody sided it's like a playground (and no, not an age reference).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arrias View Post
    It looks from here what you are doing is trying to get people to equate the OP with wanting to get rid of securom to "pirate" games.
    That's the only logical reason I can think of, as to why someone would purposely spread misinformation. Further calling himself a crusader only reinforces the point in my head.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrias View Post
    I don't know which of you is right on the technical side of things, but if you keep up with the attacks then the only people you convince are those already on your "side". Most people are less likely to believe anyone who's quick to try and turn things into a shouting match.
    Point taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrias View Post
    If you want to convince other people you're right, why not stop with the attacks? You know, just like all the people being accused of working for securom/2k were tired of all those comments... shame ☺☺☺☺, but it must be OK though because you're in the right
    For what It's worth, this is the first time I've downright made any accusations. I do so based on my experience with how an angry mob of pirates dealt with being unable to play a certain StarForce game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrias View Post
    Yeah, yeah, I'm flame-bait now, should keep my nose out and all that, but come on... it's becoming so bloody sided it's like a playground (and no, not an age reference).
    I would like to think that I haven't been flaming anyone. If that's the case, then I'm sorry.

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